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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2021 5:09:09 GMT -6
Still getting my head around the lynx gui software monitoring control Ncontrol, couple people here ( Achase and nick), have been helping with this. You may remember, we spoke awhile back about logic's Utility i/o plug in and some commented on some bugs in it. I had thought it was working fine. I have been trying to figure out using inserts with Ncontrol how to use OB while mixing. If I use logic's utility plug in, in my daw, as usual, I just can't get the rtl low enough not to hear it. I can even just have the utility plug in, in the channel , turned off and there is still latency. However, if I don't use the Utility plug in, at all, and just send the DAW channel out, say 7/8 and patch that to the OB and back, it sounds perfect. In the Ncontrol gui software settings, you can also set, what is called the packet, from 32 - 2 samples or auto, it picks the best size and you can see the pic-e latency, currently at 12.8 US or 1.1 samples, yes 1.1 !  Does US stand for upsample or what is it a measurement of ? So, if I am understanding this correctly, it seems, essentially the lynx, stand alone, can have lower latency than even having the utility plug in instantiated but not even on in logic. I am still really appreciating the lynx Aurora cleanness and my ITB mix with mostly UA and fab filter plugs. Interestingly though, when using OB you hear the sound of the OB more clearly too. I have sold a lot of OB gear, like Wiz but am thinking about a nice 2 channel compressor: have had in the past the Stam ssl mk1, Warm 2 bus and the Audioscape: just mulling this over ,as I am still getting to know the Aurora better. |
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 22, 2021 5:56:19 GMT -6
I think my favorite part of the Lynx so far is the DA. It has made tracking and mixing way easier. Such a great unit!
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Post by Calvin on Mar 22, 2021 11:21:30 GMT -6
Still getting my head around the lynx gui software monitoring control Ncontrol, couple people here ( Achase and nick), have been helping with this. You may remember, we spoke awhile back about logic's Utility i/o plug in and some commented on some bugs in it. I had thought it was working fine. I have been trying to figure out using inserts with Ncontrol how to use OB while mixing. If I use logic's utility plug in, in my daw, as usual, I just can't get the rtl low enough not to hear it. I can even just have the utility plug in, in the channel , turned off and there is still latency. However, if I don't use the Utility plug in, at all, and just send the DAW channel out, say 7/8 and patch that to the OB and back, it sounds perfect. In the Ncontrol gui software settings, you can also set, what is called the packet, from 32 - 2 samples or auto, it picks the best size and you can see the pic-e latency, currently at 12.8 US or 1.1 samples, yes 1.1 ! Does US stand for upsample or what is it a measurement of ? So, if I am understanding this correctly, it seems, essentially the lynx, stand alone, can have lower latency than even having the utility plug in instantiated but not even on in logic. I am still really appreciating the lynx Aurora cleanness and my ITB mix with mostly UA and fab filter plugs. Interestingly though, when using OB you hear the sound of the OB more clearly too. I have sold a lot of OB gear, like Wiz but am thinking about a nice 2 channel compressor: have had in the past the Stam ssl mk1, Warm 2 bus and the Audioscape: just mulling this over ,as I am still getting to know the Aurora better. I'm going to guess that "us" stands for microsecond. I'm not familiar with the Lynx gear, so can't help with your other questions. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2021 11:24:59 GMT -6
Makes sense!
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Post by srb on Mar 22, 2021 12:14:31 GMT -6
If you find you're not not getting the answers you need, call Paul Erlandson at Lynx support. Their support is as good as any I've received over the last 15+ years using their products. Paul is smart as a whip and a real nice dude.
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 22, 2021 18:07:20 GMT -6
If you find you're not not getting the answers you need, call Paul Erlandson at Lynx support. Their support is as good as any I've received over the last 15+ years using their products. Paul is smart as a whip and a real nice dude. They were very easy to get in touch with and super helpful when I got mine. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Mar 22, 2021 18:18:14 GMT -6
If you find you're not not getting the answers you need, call Paul Erlandson at Lynx support. Their support is as good as any I've received over the last 15+ years using their products. Paul is smart as a whip and a real nice dude. Paul is the shit.
Hmmm, Kcat, it seems like you've already delved deeper into the Lynx features than me! I insert hardware without thinking about it, then again I don't use Logic much. Great unit, though. I love my AS G comp. Using it right now!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2021 18:26:25 GMT -6
Really just trial and error and watching the signal flow till it worked.
Ncontrol I think is like a graphical rme total mix in the sense that you can send any input to any output ?
I just struggled to understand the logic utility issues but I remembered Paul in the overview talking about the packets and next to zero latency and I thought wait what if Lynx ncontrol is flat out faster than logic I/o plug in, the latency can and should be lower so why bother using logic utility I/o, just send the daw channel to whatever out you want to patch from and Bob’s your uncle!
1.1 samples, hell, isn’t that even lower than rme ?
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Post by wiz on Mar 22, 2021 18:43:49 GMT -6
Really just trial and error and watching the signal flow till it worked. Ncontrol I think is like a graphical rme total mix in the sense that you can send any input to any output ? I just struggled to understand the logic utility issues but I remembered Paul in the overview talking about the packets and next to zero latency and I thought wait what if Lynx ncontrol is flat out faster than logic I/o plug in, the latency can and should be lower so why bother using logic utility I/o, just send the daw channel to whatever out you want to patch from and Bob’s your uncle! 1.1 samples, hell, isn’t that even lower than rme ? Do you do stereo or multi mic'd drums doing this? Or just mono channels...? cheers Wiz |
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Post by srb on Mar 22, 2021 20:52:40 GMT -6
Ncontrol I think is like a graphical rme total mix in the sense that you can send any input to any output ? That is correct. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 23, 2021 2:41:58 GMT -6
Wiz, I was testing a stereo file but I don’t see why you couldn’t. In Ncontrol it works by you selecting the output you want to monitor from, say headphones for live recording, and then unmuting the sends to the cans.
The actual inputs default to 4 stereo pairs on an 8 channel Aurora but you can make them 6 mono and 1 stereo if you want.
You then just unmute the inputs so they send to the cans and you could save that as a scene called Drums .
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 23, 2021 18:02:36 GMT -6
I don’t quite get why you say the I/O plugin has latency. You just need to click the Ping buttton so it’s calculated and compensated automatically. But the latency is not the plugin’s, it’s the interface’s.
I’m probably not understanding your use case, I think.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 23, 2021 18:57:58 GMT -6
I know what the I/o plug is supposed to do and I did ping it but it was definitely not in time. So, it certainly could be the Lynx but as I can just set inserts in the ncontrol and have 1.1 samples, why bother with the utility plug in ?
I am also finding I like the sound of the Aurora n with itb plugs, may not even bother with OB for mixing.
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 24, 2021 8:16:50 GMT -6
The I/O plugin is a direct access to your interface's output, it has no latency of its own. In fact, it's the only way to process hardware in real time and have it in correct sync with your existing tracks. Using the I/O plugin there will be no latency at all.
Assuming this:
-This is a mix situation (vs tracking where latency could be a problem)
-You're using the hardware "live" and don't need to print it into the session
-You want to patch an external EQ/comp/whatever into the track.
All you need to do is: add the I/O plugin, choose the correct interface output and input, set the hardware to bypass and click "ping" (you'll hear the ping). From that point on, your external hardware behaves as simply another plugin.
If you are sending and not patching in the track (i.e. with an external reverb), you do the same thing. Send to the Aux, insert the I/O in the aux as if it was the reverb plugin.
If you are reamping or printing back into the session it gets more involved, let me know if that's the case.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 24, 2021 11:10:20 GMT -6
No offence, I have used the utility plug in just fine with 2 different Apollo’s and 2 different symphonies, same patchbay, same cables: same daw, no problems.
So, I don’t disagree it’s something unique to the Lynx Aurora.
May all be academic as I find I like the sound of the Aurora just fine and may not even want to add any OB while mixing.
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Does US stand for upsample or what is it a measurement of ?
