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Post by Quint on Mar 4, 2021 16:32:51 GMT -6
Cool info! From Tom's video, it looks like you need to have the second audio start ahead of the reference audio to get the classic flange sound. After it crosses and lags the main audio, it doesn't sound quite as cool. Can I ask, what do you need this plugin for? I ask because, if it's just for your guitar, might I suggest picking up the Strymon Deco? It's a tape based fx (flanger, chorus, saturation, slap back delay) unit in a box. It's really great for that tape-specific version of those type of fx. Matter of fact, you can also run stereo line level into it as well. So you could use it for mixing purposes as well, if so desired. Maybe you've already used one before? Either way, it's an option worth mentioning.
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Post by LazyOldSun on Mar 4, 2021 18:35:11 GMT -6
A few months ago I was mixing a song that called for tape phasing ala Itchycoo park and tried many plugins as well as varispeeding a duplicate with PT elastic audio. While some of plugins sounded pretty good, nothing really sounds as good as real tape phasing to me. I tried the TLA eventide method and while it sounded decent, I ended up using a combination of automating the Fix Flanger VSO and a bit of UAD ampex wow/flutter. I need to try some of the other plugins mention here as I'm trying to avoid buying an old cassette player or R2R with varispeed that will break on me.
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Post by donr on Mar 5, 2021 0:12:19 GMT -6
Quint, I'm just a fan of the effect. I'd hate to think that without tape machines, the true sound of tape flanging would be lost. I'm not so keen on hearing it on a track or two, I like it on the entire mix. It sounds like rending the entire fabric of space and time.
I don't know if it's been done, but I'd love to hear it in a movie theater on Dolby Atmos 7.1.2. across every channel at once. Or maybe panning the zero point front to back to overhead, I dunno, I want my brains leaking out of my ears with ecstasy.
Here's the first time I heard flanging as an eleven year old. I've loved it every time I've heard it since.
Commenter "Uncle Homunculus"
Some info on the phasing effect from an interview with engineer Larry Levine: Wayne Shanklin, wrote another hit song —Toni Fisher, singing “The Big Hurt”—which was the first use of phasing on a record... though it wasn’t intentional phasing. [laughs] Stan had made mono and stereo mixes—at that point, we only had two-track and mono anyway—and Wayne liked the mono mix, but he felt that Toni’s voice wasn’t out quite far enough, so the next day he asked me to make a tape copy and to run the two mixes together in order to double the sound of her voice. I explained to him that that wouldn’t work, because the two tape machines wouldn’t stay in sync, but he insisted that I try it anyway. So I did—I lined up the two tapes and started the two machines simultaneously... and it stayed together, pretty much, for the first eight bars, and then one went out of phase with the other. It just happened to be at a point where the strings went up in the air and disappeared and then came back after the null point. My reaction was, “See, I told you it wouldn’t work,” but he was falling on the floor, saying, “Wow—can you make that happen in other places?” So I figured out which tape was moving a little bit ahead and I started it slightly later so it would catch up. In the end I made about six edits. It ended up being a big hit record when it was released back in 1959, and people were trying to guess where it was made—a lot of disk jockeys were talking about it on the air, wondering if it was made at an airport with a big jet passing by. So it wasn’t something intentional to start with, but, like many innovations, pure luck."
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Post by kevinnyc on Mar 5, 2021 10:00:54 GMT -6
Cool info! From Tom's video, it looks like you need to have the second audio start ahead of the reference audio to get the classic flange sound. After it crosses and lags the main audio, it doesn't sound quite as cool. Can I ask, what do you need this plugin for? I ask because, if it's just for your guitar, might I suggest picking up the Strymon Deco? It's a tape based fx (flanger, chorus, saturation, slap back delay) unit in a box. It's really great for that tape-specific version of those type of fx. Matter of fact, you can also run stereo line level into it as well. So you could use it for mixing purposes as well, if so desired. Maybe you've already used one before? Either way, it's an option worth mentioning. The Deco is fantastic. Using it I get the same feeling I got as a young kid hearing an echoplex for the first time.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Mar 8, 2021 15:02:39 GMT -6
FX flanger is cool, but I still use the Kurzweil Mangler (Ned Flangers preset RULES) or Eventide more often. This video of TLA at around 3:30 gets into a very cool getting into using a similar to tape flanging, automateable, and perfect as needed. That is a great video. Thanks for sharing!
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