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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 18, 2014 23:04:18 GMT -6
what's your take on this Fella's?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 19, 2014 5:01:06 GMT -6
I know that ben just sold a bottle. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 19, 2014 7:11:45 GMT -6
Welp... I think the C-12 spanked the bottle on pretty much every voice. You know I've seen people on GS rave about those bottles but I've never been that overwhelmed with it. Yeah it's a good mic but way overpriced IMO.
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Post by svart on Apr 19, 2014 8:37:37 GMT -6
well, you can see in the video that the C12's level was at least a couple DB hotter, thereby nullifying any possible comparison. You can only do this with absolute perfect level matching as the ear is nonlinear and differences in level make differences in perception.
But for the sake of argument, there isn't much difference. The C12 had more low end, which may or may not be attributable to the level difference.
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Post by ben on Apr 19, 2014 10:05:40 GMT -6
I know that ben just sold a bottle. Yes, I did. I owned a Bottle for many years, and it is a really nice mic. Is the B6 cap just like a CK12? No. Is the B7 just like an M7? No. Do they occupy some similar respective spaces in the sound spectrum as their "muses"? Sure. The Bottle sounds very nice, creamy and thick. Is it worth the $6k street price? Not IMHO. The used prices are usually pretty good, though. I saw a shop online selling the Bottle and ALL the caps for $6k. Now, that's a deal.
For me, the B6 is a great workhorse capsule. When other mics fail, chances are, the B6 will work. I can't say that about a C12. Nice on most vocals and acoustics. I still have a pair of Blue Dragonfly Deluxes (IMHO a highly underrated mic) which have the B6 capsules. The Kiwi also has a B6. Both the C12 and B6 are great, just different. Too different to make a direct comparison, I think.
I recently did a cover of "All of Me" by John Legend in which I used the pair of Dragonfly Deluxes on the piano, and a Bottle with the B7 on vocals. It was a quick recording with some post processing, but you'll get the idea of the sound.
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Post by Randge on Apr 22, 2014 8:42:09 GMT -6
To be honest, that acoustic guitar itself sounds like crap, so, recording it is a point of diminishing returns. Put a 57 on it, what does it matter.
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Post by svart on Apr 22, 2014 8:50:53 GMT -6
I listened to this again on my work headphones, since this is where I do the most listening to regular music..
That Bottle just has a more nasal sound to it. Much more mid heavy and lighter lows on all the capsules. I'd pick that C12 any day of the week based on this video.
Still though, it's hard to say why the bottle sounds bad. With acoustic, position is very very important, especially with a little more distance between the mic and guitar.
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Post by ben on Apr 22, 2014 11:03:08 GMT -6
That Bottle just has a more nasal sound to it. Much more mid heavy and lighter lows on all the capsules. I'd pick that C12 any day of the week based on this video. The most telling is the electric guitar comparison with the C12 and the B6. The C12 brings out the meat. It's kinda like that old Wendy's commercial "Where's the beef!?" The Blue caps are not very thick in the low mids, except maybe for the B7. Also, remember who's conducting these tests... BLUE. It's a biased comparison. |
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Post by svart on Apr 22, 2014 11:21:31 GMT -6
Yeah, I suppose it's biased, but I'm not sure how they actually heard that it was similar though. Wishful thinking maybe. I think a lot of mics sound similar, but these were remarkably different.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 22, 2014 11:44:26 GMT -6
The bias was why i titled it the way i did lol, dude said the C12 sounds almost scouped? Well, 8/
the c12 is probably the last mic i'd pick for a crunch guitar....? The c12 killed the others on the not so great sounding acoustic IMO
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Post by svart on Apr 22, 2014 11:56:42 GMT -6
I think their B7 is supposed to sound like an M7 or something? I can say that my Gefell M7 sounds nothing like that B7. It's a distinctly warm sound. Warm and slow, where that was really mid heavy and nasal.
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Post by miscend on May 23, 2016 8:21:22 GMT -6
The levels are not matched. The C12 is louder. However I preferred the sound of the Bottle it's nice and thick in the upper mids. The C12 sounded bright and scooped at the same time.
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Post by ericn on May 23, 2016 8:48:30 GMT -6
The levels are not matched. The C12 is louder. However I preferred the sound of the Bottle it's nice and thick in the upper mids. The C12 sounded bright and scooped at the same time. Yeah this is what I hate about straight on shootouts, it isn't about the better mic, it's about the right mic for the situation at hand. Like you I like the bottle on this one but almost every other time I touch a Blue Bootle I dislike the thing! |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2016 16:30:18 GMT -6
That sounds like a shitty maple cutaway Taylor....oh wait, it is
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2016 16:30:38 GMT -6
Tough crowd...
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Post by Ward on May 25, 2016 16:35:39 GMT -6
That sounds like a shitty maple cutaway Taylor....oh wait, it is Are you intimating the Tayrlors are not the best, most natural sounding acoustic guitars on the market and that they really perform better in a live context and rely heavily on their electronic systems as electro-acoustics to complete their sound and thus should be reserved for such purposes and that live recording of actual acoustic tracks should be reserved for quality aged Martins, Guilds, Gibsons, Santa Cruzs and the like? Just curious. |
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Post by nobtwiddler on May 25, 2016 18:24:14 GMT -6
YES !
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2016 19:48:57 GMT -6
Really never played a Taylor that I liked.
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Post by wiz on May 25, 2016 20:25:23 GMT -6
Really never played a Taylor that I liked. I have a taylor GS Mahogany Mini, that I just love... its probably the most fun guitar to play I have... cheers Wiz |
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Post by nobtwiddler on May 25, 2016 20:57:54 GMT -6
My 2 cents from years of recording acoustic guitars...
Take it for what it's worth.
I personally would never choose a Taylor Acoustic guitar for studio use over a,
Gibson, Martin, Louden, Zematis, Collings, or even a Gretsch.
That being said, I believe they are one of the best playing guitars I ever used!
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2016 21:02:26 GMT -6
Really never played a Taylor that I liked. I have a taylor GS Mahogany Mini, that I just love... its probably the most fun guitar to play I have... cheers Wiz I'm sure it's totally great...I've never played it though... |
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Post by wiz on May 26, 2016 0:47:00 GMT -6
I have a taylor GS Mahogany Mini, that I just love... its probably the most fun guitar to play I have... cheers Wiz I'm sure it's totally great...I've never played it though... come over.. have a strum 8) |
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Post by Guitar on May 26, 2016 9:47:46 GMT -6
I used to hate Taylor guitars, but then one day I ended up with a 114e and I'm in love with it. I'm still dreaming of an HD-28 but I'm happy for now. The 110 and 114 are not that much more expensive than the GS Minis, but they are the full body sizes. Sapele neck and bodies.
If you play a Taylor in a guitar shop, chances are its strung with super bright Elixir light strings. It's how they set up all their guitars. Simply changing for a more traditional string set drastically changes the tonal response. It's still a bright guitar, though.
I preferred the C12 on acoustic in that video, and the Blue Bottle on the crunchy amp. But I agree the sounds there are just not really happening.
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