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Post by popmann on Feb 26, 2021 18:27:48 GMT -6
I was going to post earlier that virtual instruments (and virtual amp sims) are the only reason anyone needs a buffer low enough to strain ANYTHING...I did largely 24/88 production on a Core2Quad 2.4 or 2.6ghz machine with 8gb. I then moved to a MacBook Air mobile i5, DualCore(w/ HT) 2.8? It had a skootch more audio DSP, but the USB interface meant that the low latency (VI) performance was HIDEOUS compared to the tower's RME PCI card. What I ended up doing for the last project I did with that set was to run Mixbus32c (and LogicX previous) on the Macbook--this was my DAW. Then run Vis on the RME tower as needed with audio connection from one to the other.
It's a little funny to me that virtual AMPS...are a reason so many want to run small buffers. They MAKE hardware digital amp sims. If you need one, BUY one--then everything I said above still applies.
The MIDI thing...is different on a number of levels. They actually don't MAKE hardware keyboards and modules that compete with software, and really haven't in a LONG time. I put my money where my mouth is buying the Kronos. I am always WILLING to buy hardware keys--but it's like they don't even TRY. Then things like strings yo ucan't really even give up quality and buy hardware--unless you use some kind of shit Roland string thing in their ROMpler...anyway--not comparable.
...but amps? I'd just buy an Iridium. That would record every single guitar sound I've ever recorded for my own stuff. But, if you WANT tweaky and expensive, you can have THAT...if you want to buy a box to soak and IR your real amp silently? Got those. I mean as much as I've enjoyed Amplitube 5...I just don't think software is THAT much better...and versus the ease of use of an Iridium into the Burl? Or being able to analog EQ or compress it like an amp feed on the "way to tape"...? It's $399.
My long winded point being that you can DO HD on most anything for AUDIO production. And honestly--even though I have a beefy tower now that I can do it all in...ehh...I still miss the shit out of the WORKFLOW of just getting the virtual piano sound set...and playing it as audio. It's a PIA in any app but Reaper (see--I found something positive to say about it!) to record the AUDIO output of a VI "live". If it's on another machine, it's not only easy...it's just like recording ANYTHING...no learning curve involved. I'd make peoples' mind hurt with how I route the audio to record it Cubase or Logic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 18:31:25 GMT -6
It’s worth 30 bucks imo. The tube upward compression and push on that is insane on some things but I warn you it can sound 2d and digitally sheened. Ok which tube sim is your favorite? You want push? That one. The Phil’s Cascade. I will prob buy it this sale. want to saturate the highs? SDRR2 hifi excitement? Neold V76u73 Add a touch of clean mojo to a guitar or bass? The Fuse Grampian PA amp model just overdrive? Fuse 2C models an RCA pre/line stage. phat 60s weight? I really like what’s in the Infinistrip 60s pre.
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Post by svart on Feb 26, 2021 18:43:06 GMT -6
Can any of you guys mix a 100 track project ITB @ 96K? I found it impossible without doing a ton of bouncing down. It just wasn't worth the aggravation. I use 44.1k and set any plugin that can oversample to do that during mixdown. Someone sent me 85 tracks once. I had plugins all over it but I used a lot of hardware too. No problems at 88.2k on an i5 pc. I'm smarter these days and spend time editing things into fewer tracks before mixing. Nobody needs ten different tambourine tracks, but sometimes artists don't "get" punching in..
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Post by svart on Feb 26, 2021 18:47:05 GMT -6
I was going to post earlier that virtual instruments (and virtual amp sims) are the only reason anyone needs a buffer low enough to strain ANYTHING...I did largely 24/88 production on a Core2Quad 2.4 or 2.6ghz machine with 8gb. I then moved to a MacBook Air mobile i5, DualCore(w/ HT) 2.8? It had a skootch more audio DSP, but the USB interface meant that the low latency (VI) performance was HIDEOUS compared to the tower's RME PCI card. What I ended up doing for the last project I did with that set was to run Mixbus32c (and LogicX previous) on the Macbook--this was my DAW. Then run Vis on the RME tower as needed with audio connection from one to the other. It's a little funny to me that virtual AMPS...are a reason so many want to run small buffers. They MAKE hardware digital amp sims. If you need one, BUY one--then everything I said above still applies. The MIDI thing...is different on a number of levels. They actually don't MAKE hardware keyboards and modules that compete with software, and really haven't in a LONG time. I put my money where my mouth is buying the Kronos. I am always WILLING to buy hardware keys--but it's like they don't even TRY. Then things like strings yo ucan't really even give up quality and buy hardware--unless you use some kind of shit Roland string thing in their ROMpler...anyway--not comparable. ...but amps? I'd just buy an Iridium. That would record every single guitar sound I've ever recorded for my own stuff. But, if you WANT tweaky and expensive, you can have THAT...if you want to buy a box to soak and IR your real amp silently? Got those. I mean as much as I've enjoyed Amplitube 5...I just don't think software is THAT much better...and versus the ease of use of an Iridium into the Burl? Or being able to analog EQ or compress it like an amp feed on the "way to tape"...? It's $399. My long winded point being that you can DO HD on most anything for AUDIO production. And honestly--even though I have a beefy tower now that I can do it all in...ehh...I still miss the shit out of the WORKFLOW of just getting the virtual piano sound set...and playing it as audio. It's a PIA in any app but Reaper (see--I found something positive to say about it!) to record the AUDIO output of a VI "live". If it's on another machine, it's not only easy...it's just like recording ANYTHING...no learning curve involved. I'd make peoples' mind hurt with how I route the audio to record it Cubase or Logic. I'm running both axefx3 and a handful of different guitar sim plugs like tonehub and amplitude. I don't really hear a difference. I'm also running 256 buffers and feel no issues with latency. I wouldn't call that small, but I just set it where it's stable and left it.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 26, 2021 18:49:09 GMT -6
I was going to post earlier that virtual instruments (and virtual amp sims) are the only reason anyone needs a buffer low enough to strain ANYTHING...I did largely 24/88 production on a Core2Quad 2.4 or 2.6ghz machine with 8gb. I then moved to a MacBook Air mobile i5, DualCore(w/ HT) 2.8? It had a skootch more audio DSP, but the USB interface meant that the low latency (VI) performance was HIDEOUS compared to the tower's RME PCI card. What I ended up doing for the last project I did with that set was to run Mixbus32c (and LogicX previous) on the Macbook--this was my DAW. Then run Vis on the RME tower as needed with audio connection from one to the other. It's a little funny to me that virtual AMPS...are a reason so many want to run small buffers. They MAKE hardware digital amp sims. If you need one, BUY one--then everything I said above still applies. The MIDI thing...is different on a number of levels. They actually don't MAKE hardware keyboards and modules that compete with software, and really haven't in a LONG time. I put my money where my mouth is buying the Kronos. I am always WILLING to buy hardware keys--but it's like they don't even TRY. Then things like strings yo ucan't really even give up quality and buy hardware--unless you use some kind of shit Roland string thing in their ROMpler...anyway--not comparable. ...but amps? I'd just buy an Iridium. That would record every single guitar sound I've ever recorded for my own stuff. But, if you WANT tweaky and expensive, you can have THAT...if you want to buy a box to soak and IR your real amp silently? Got those. I mean as much as I've enjoyed Amplitube 5...I just don't think software is THAT much better...and versus the ease of use of an Iridium into the Burl? Or being able to analog EQ or compress it like an amp feed on the "way to tape"...? It's $399. My long winded point being that you can DO HD on most anything for AUDIO production. And honestly--even though I have a beefy tower now that I can do it all in...ehh...I still miss the shit out of the WORKFLOW of just getting the virtual piano sound set...and playing it as audio. It's a PIA in any app but Reaper (see--I found something positive to say about it!) to record the AUDIO output of a VI "live". If it's on another machine, it's not only easy...it's just like recording ANYTHING...no learning curve involved. I'd make peoples' mind hurt with how I route the audio to record it Cubase or Logic. I've been marveling at how good my Kontakt library has become. It turns my digital piano into this monster thing. Next week I'm going to put some big speakers over there so I can really dig in and enjoy it. I agree with you about amp sims. The sofware isn't "that" impressive, I find that just about any "guitar solution" seems to get the job done, amp, software, whatever. I haven't tried an Iridium but it would be nice to have one there one the board, in front of the DI, right next to all those nice pedals. What I'm going to do is just run my amp's speaker output into a DI for direct recording, I'll set that up next week too. Or just use a mic, LOL.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 26, 2021 19:07:28 GMT -6
How is 96k a problem today, when computers have been powerful enough for 100 track for 20 years? Have we regressed? Nebula plugins? Apparently you haven’t met my 2012 Mac Mini
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Post by popmann on Feb 26, 2021 19:56:13 GMT -6
How is 96k a problem today, when computers have been powerful enough for 100 track for 20 years? Have we regressed? Nebula plugins? Apparently you haven’t met my 2012 Mac Mini The 2012 i7 MacMini has I think 4-5x the Multicore Geekbench score of the two old machines I used forever.
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Post by jmoose on Feb 26, 2021 20:10:23 GMT -6
I can't even imagine worrying about that stuff. Who has time for all that. Yeah I dunno. I run dozens and dozens of plugs on dozens of tracks at 88.2k and barely see 30% utilization on cpu/ram at 3ghz. I'm not worrying about playing tricks and aliasing and whatever a long as it works and sounds good. I remember running 88.2 back in 2006 or so... tracking on 2" and dumping to PT for all edits & dubs. Never had a problem. That studio had a mac G4 maybe? I remember they had the first UAD card I'd ever seen. My own rig was a humble Pentium 4 with a whopping 2 gigs of ram! Only real problem with either machine was running out of drive space. I don't often see 100+ track projects. Maybe 50 tops. Stuff I produce is usually in the 30-40 range I still tend to think like 24 track tape. Not doing any VI stuff either. Everything gets printed as audio. But yeah, never had a problem with higher rates & track counts. I do remember once hiring a guy to mix and he admitted downsampling to 44.1 because he didn't have enough PT dsp to stay at 88.2. His initial mixes were coming in at 44/16 and my artist was asking why? Good question!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 22:47:11 GMT -6
Just freeze everything. It's easy. Use efficient plugs and freeze everything. If you used U-he Satin or UAD Ampex, you'd have to free everything anyway eventually. the same with the Tokyo Dawn dynamics plugs on INSANE mode. Then they have INSANE CPU usage. Sonnox, utilitarian Waves (not the whackier analog emulations and branded plugs), SSL native, and PSP have super low CPU usage. Maybe I should check out Crave EQ but I like knobs and stuff in one place without having to look at charts and graph and mix EXCEL style. I use Reaper already so I'm mixing in Windows 2000 GUIs but Excel style mixing is too much for me.
Softube does not. The guis are ridiculously heavy without a super gpu imo. The Tokyo Dawn guis can also crash upon opening and closing. So when I need to work fast because they're not paying me nearly enough for my labor if I have to gainstage into everything cool, I use something else half the time and still give them something cool like U-he Satin or Molot GE or bash it out in Infinistrip.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 27, 2021 7:24:41 GMT -6
Yeah I'm all about that freeze life now. It's helping me a lot the past 2 days. Can easily unfreeze as needed, no porblemo.
Probably not going to give up my heavy plugins, they sound too good.
But it would be fun to make a little organized "lite" folder for 96K big sessions, I could do that.
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Post by viciousbliss on Feb 27, 2021 11:01:08 GMT -6
Just freeze everything. It's easy. Use efficient plugs and freeze everything. If you used U-he Satin or UAD Ampex, you'd have to free everything anyway eventually. the same with the Tokyo Dawn dynamics plugs on INSANE mode. Then they have INSANE CPU usage. Sonnox, utilitarian Waves (not the whackier analog emulations and branded plugs), SSL native, and PSP have super low CPU usage. Maybe I should check out Crave EQ but I like knobs and stuff in one place without having to look at charts and graph and mix EXCEL style. I use Reaper already so I'm mixing in Windows 2000 GUIs but Excel style mixing is too much for me. Softube does not. The guis are ridiculously heavy without a super gpu imo. The Tokyo Dawn guis can also crash upon opening and closing. So when I need to work fast because they're not paying me nearly enough for my labor if I have to gainstage into everything cool, I use something else half the time and still give them something cool like U-he Satin or Molot GE or bash it out in Infinistrip. I was having some issues with guis like Softube and some PA before I put my RAM settings back to the default. Satin's gui takes a couple seconds to load sometimes. But no more crashes at all. I'm running some low power old video card, Radeon 5450 I think. In a mastering session, I can run Satin, TDR stuff in insane mode, and a ton of other stuff without an issue. Even at 88/96. In high buffer mixing sessions I can put Satin all over the place and still have a lot of cpu left. There was a guy who did an instance count test with Kramer Tape and a Ryzen 1700 and got 40 some instances, I think. I've probably linked to it in some old posts, I can't immediately find it on youtube. These modern cpus can easily handle a ton of instances of most plugins. It's stuff like Acustica and IK Tape that will still cause problems.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 27, 2021 16:55:42 GMT -6
I just gained a lot of stability, big breakthrough just now. Took out the Nvidia graphics card and put in some generic $30 graphics card. Everything is the same with how I use the computer except Cubase spikes are SIGNIFICANTLY down from before. This was a major deal. Now I can get larger projects going, at lower buffers, without the cracklin'.
The clue was LatencyMon application telling me I had almost a millisecond of latency being added by the Nvidia processes. LatencyMon, with the new graphics card, is reporting much lower results now. Great, free application anyone can use to check their system.
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Post by popmann on Feb 27, 2021 17:51:20 GMT -6
I think there are instructions on GS after a lot of experimenting how to remove the bits of nVidia driver that were causing issues on some systems.
Two years ago when I built it was still just a known thing that nVidia cards caused systemic DPC latency. I opted for intel when I built, but soon found there were plug in compatibility issues, so I put in an rx580. Compatibility issues completely gone, sharper picture, and I can play games to boot. The recent tomb Raiders look stunning.
Anyway, I think there is a fix now for nVidia.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 27, 2021 18:19:32 GMT -6
For the less educated "recordist" (like me)...
What is the usual significance of "Aliasing"? Thanks, Chris
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Post by jampa on Feb 27, 2021 18:40:17 GMT -6
For the less educated "recordist" (like me)... What is the usual significance of "Aliasing"? Thanks, Chris Compared to the raw signal, it can like looking through a dirty window (varying degrees of dirty) And it's accumulative for each plugin (i.e. looking through more than one dirty window)
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Post by christopher on Feb 27, 2021 19:08:21 GMT -6
For the less educated "recordist" (like me)... What is the usual significance of "Aliasing"? Thanks, Chris It’s kinda like scheduling a nice relaxing picnic with your new date. Perfect skies, dreamy clouds, and you know this the best moment. And then you realize you put the blanket in a patch of foxtails and goat heads
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 27, 2021 19:16:43 GMT -6
For the less educated "recordist" (like me)... What is the usual significance of "Aliasing"? Thanks, Chris Compared to the raw signal, it can like looking through a dirty window (varying degrees of dirty) And it's accumulative for each plugin (i.e. looking through more than one dirty window) Therefore I measure the dirty window before I buy it. To be true there are more and more clean windows today and some windows are dirty nonetheless they sound great.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 27, 2021 22:02:21 GMT -6
I've had troubles with Windows before! Thanks for updating me. I guess when in doubt, less is more. Chris
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 28, 2021 1:33:40 GMT -6
I've had troubles with Windows before! Thanks for updating me. I guess when in doubt, less is more. Chris The graphic card spike trouble also exist on macs it’s the Nvidia cards which cause it.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 28, 2021 2:09:36 GMT -6
Old Windows 7 laptop and Chromebook here. Chris
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 7:27:32 GMT -6
On plugins, does anyone what does the impulse response size do in DMG Equilibrium? Is it a weird hybrid like Pro Q3 natural phase mode? I just want something minimum phase without cramping or decramping. Like an analog eq made perfect in the digital world.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 28, 2021 8:06:01 GMT -6
On plugins, does anyone what does the impulse response size do in DMG Equilibrium? Is it a weird hybrid like Pro Q3 natural phase mode? I just want something minimum phase without cramping or decramping. Like an analog eq made perfect in the digital world. I don't know if you've looked into it yet but I absolutely love Toneboosters EQ4, it's huge sounding. About 50 bucks. It's my new go-to digital EQ. I haven't looked into the technical details of it, I'd be curious if you could learn anything about it. Equilibrium is kind of interesting but it kind of gives me option paralysis so I'm avoiding it, I need something more simple in my life.
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Post by superwack on Feb 28, 2021 8:28:54 GMT -6
On plugins, does anyone what does the impulse response size do in DMG Equilibrium? Is it a weird hybrid like Pro Q3 natural phase mode? I just want something minimum phase without cramping or decramping. Like an analog eq made perfect in the digital world. You really should try crave - it basically describes itself as exactly what you are asking for. Perfect recreation of an analog EQ.
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Post by svart on Feb 28, 2021 9:33:02 GMT -6
I had been using nvidia graphics in my pc recording computers for years without issues.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 28, 2021 9:36:55 GMT -6
That's the thing with computers I guess, everyone has different "issues" sometimes with the same or similar components. What I mean is some people have problems and some people don't. It seems to be a common statistical trend with computer hardware.
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