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Post by mrholmes on Feb 11, 2021 16:08:41 GMT -6
I was much used to the sound of my 1073 Clone with Carnhills for now 15 years - day in and day out. I always liked this sandpaper light saturation, but still open sounding - depending on how hard I drive the in or output. Nothing worked in mix time like the 1073 on vocals.
I have no idea what happened in the last week, but I can't stand the sound of the 1073 anymore.
I dislike it a lot when I track my own vocals.
Out of a sudden I prefer clean preamps.
The Clean preamp sounds like my singing the 1073 is a NO GO.
Do you experience taste changes after longer periods?
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Post by svart on Feb 11, 2021 17:39:51 GMT -6
I've gone the other way and no longer care a whole lot which preamp I use. I don't find the differences great enough to show through in mixes.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 11, 2021 17:45:05 GMT -6
I think you both make valid points, how you feel while tracking will affect performance. So, best to go with gear you prefer. Sonics will all come together, in the mix , but the better performances will be very apparent, in terms of the song’s emotiveness?
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Post by Guitar on Feb 11, 2021 17:46:09 GMT -6
I've always liked the API style and the Neve style, but I tended to favor the API style for a very long time.
Lately, speaking of your change, I am really getting into Neve-ish pres with big Carnhill transformers and similar.
And just other kinds of pres in general, not being so specific minded, so detail obsessed.
There are too many great preamps to choose from to get stuck on one. Although I do tend to favor audio transformers for the most part.
I really like the Sound Devices preamps now too, clean but pleasant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 17:52:06 GMT -6
I like cleanish with some mojo. Neve is cool but I've always felt API sounds band-passed. Tubes are fun.
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Post by bowie on Feb 11, 2021 18:35:40 GMT -6
Sometimes, but I will more often find myself warming up to something I previously disliked, usually because I started using it in a different way.
In a larger sense, it feels like pro-audio gear trends are going the way of social fashions/tastes now in that it's becoming cool to do whatever YOU like. That's just something I've noticed in the past couple years when talking with people about their gear and their tastes. There's a lot less of this, "what's the best 1073? what's the best U47 clone?" mentality that used to be dominant.
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Post by tkaitkai on Feb 11, 2021 19:39:08 GMT -6
My tastes have also changed recently, but in the opposite direction. I actually want a 1073 now, whereas I used to not really care for them.
I've spent a good 3 or 4 years with my PEQ2R and it's a phenomenal sound, but I just kind of want something different at this point. I've been listening back to some recordings I did when I had a Vintech X73 and I've also been playing around with the Unison 1073... there's something about the tone that just works for vocals, IMO. I think I just hear things differently now.
Pretty set on grabbing a BAE or Great River in the near future.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 11, 2021 20:52:45 GMT -6
I've gone the other way and no longer care a whole lot which preamp I use. I don't find the differences great enough to show through in mixes. That’s a good one ☝️....wasn’t it a aim in the recording industry to get rid of all possible saturation/distortion? Clean as possible? |
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Post by svart on Feb 11, 2021 21:11:33 GMT -6
I've gone the other way and no longer care a whole lot which preamp I use. I don't find the differences great enough to show through in mixes. That’s a good one ☝️....wasn’t it a aim in the recording industry to get rid of all possible saturation/distortion? Clean as possible? Yeah, and I tried that too. Chased it for a while before realizing that "clean" was a fantasy and the ultra detail I was hearing was actually a lot of EQ and saturation! It's a hard pill to swallow to realize that in an industry made up of fantasy, that I was also fooled. The second realization was that even a single tape saturation plugin nullifies any difference between two preamps.. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 11, 2021 21:16:09 GMT -6
I think we just grow. I loved tube preamps till I got some great Neve preamps. I also made some really nice recordings on SSL preamps over the years at my studio and other studios. They are cleanish and punchy, but I always thought they were nice. Use what works.
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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2021 22:42:27 GMT -6
I was much used to the sound of my 1073 Clone with Carnhills for now 15 years - day in and day out. I always liked this sandpaper light saturation, but still open sounding - depending on how hard I drive the in or output. Nothing worked in mix time like the 1073 on vocals.
I have no idea what happened in the last week, but I can't stand the sound of the 1073 anymore.
I dislike it a lot when I track my own vocals.
Out of a sudden I prefer clean preamps.
The Clean preamp sounds like my singing the 1073 is a NO GO.
Do you experience taste changes after longer periods?
Totally relate to this. Finally starting to learn to actually use/trust my ears instead of just chasing trends. Also agree with kcatthedog in that feel and performance is what really translates. By way of example, recently picked an API-style pre on my vox over a 1073-style in a blind A/B. Was shocked/am still shocked because “1073 is king” and “API is for drums and sucks on vocals.” |
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Post by RealNoob on Feb 11, 2021 23:27:22 GMT -6
I've gone the other way and no longer care a whole lot which preamp I use. I don't find the differences great enough to show through in mixes. I agree as long as the preamp is of quality enough to have focus. Cheaper designs kind of bleed all over the place. Daking in comparison was very focused and punchy. I like that. However, I got tired of the high-mid rise and moved on. Seems like better interfaces do well enough now days. |
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 12, 2021 3:24:12 GMT -6
I've gone the other way and no longer care a whole lot which preamp I use. I don't find the differences great enough to show through in mixes. I agree as long as the preamp is of quality enough to have focus. Cheaper designs kind of bleed all over the place. Daking in comparison was very focused and punchy. I like that. However, I got tired of the high-mid rise and moved on. Seems like better interfaces do well enough now days. The RME mic pres are great to my ears, even though they do not use high end parts in their mic pre circuits. To my ear they sound very clean and open. Many German AE use RME for orchestra tracking. I am also keen to now how my first delta 200 strip will sound when fully recaped. |
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 12, 2021 7:12:52 GMT -6
The opposite for me, I just bought a Coil CA-70s and now I'm wondering why anybody would bother building
a pre-amp that wasn't tube and didn't have a negative feedback control :-)
Well not quite, I do still like a 1073 and a 57/SM7B and also Millennia solid state pre's on classical guitar or percussion.
But still, I don't think I'll buy anymore clean solid state outboard pre's (well maybe a CAPI FD312 - they're a special exception :-)
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Post by EmRR on Feb 12, 2021 15:47:11 GMT -6
It depends so much on the source and the mic. I’m usually starting with some 70 year old tube thing, but sometimes the Sytek is the best for the job. Or you need one contrasting the other.
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