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Post by indiehouse on Jan 28, 2021 7:53:55 GMT -6
Do you think music subscriptions are a necessary part of music consumption? I’ve been on a big vinyl kick lately. But vinyl is expensive and there is just so much music that I enjoy listening to, I can’t possibly own it all, even buying digitally. I have a large CD collection (from way back when CD’s were still a thing) that I converted to digital, but haven’t found a seamless way to integrate it into my casual listening outside of a computer interface.
So, are streaming subs necessary, especially for new music discovery? If so, which do you prefer? I’ve subscribed to Amazon Music HD for the past year, mainly because of the HD playback option, but not sure that I like the interface and the discovery algo’s. Also, the search is clunky.
Curious to hear what you think, despite streaming services being notoriously unfair to artist royalties.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 28, 2021 8:05:42 GMT -6
My Spotify subscription is worth every penny.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 28, 2021 10:40:24 GMT -6
Do you think music subscriptions are a necessary part of music consumption? I’ve been on a big vinyl kick lately. But vinyl is expensive and there is just so much music that I enjoy listening to, I can’t possibly own it all, even buying digitally. I have a large CD collection (from way back when CD’s were still a thing) that I converted to digital, but haven’t found a seamless way to integrate it into my casual listening outside of a computer interface. So, are streaming subs necessary, especially for new music discovery? If so, which do you prefer? I’ve subscribed to Amazon Music HD for the past year, mainly because of the HD playback option, but not sure that I like the interface and the discovery algo’s. Also, the search is clunky. Curious to hear what you think, despite streaming services being notoriously unfair to artist royalties. While certainly not "necessary," I think they're very nice for the listener. I love my Apple Music family subscription. My wife probably "finds" new music more than I do, and when she adds it to the Library, I can see what she's added and check it out for myself. And we've even got a HomePod in the main living room, so our 4yo can say, "Hey Siri - play 'Call Me Al,' by Paul Simon!" and the HomePod starts playing it. It's pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 11:10:30 GMT -6
No. I only buy CDs, rip them, and use YouTube and Bandcamp. Right now I only spend 20 bucks every few months instead of 20 a month on music I will never listen to again. It adds up.
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Post by brenta on Jan 28, 2021 11:21:02 GMT -6
I think it's safe to say that streaming services are the way music is consumed these days. People want to be able to play any song they want whenever they want and wherever they want, and the streaming services allow that.
I've got an Amazon HD subscription. It's pretty awesome for reference tracks. I ask artists for examples of what kind of sound they are going for and I can instantly pull up the lossless, high bit rate songs to listen to. Besides the reference aspect, it's great to be able to listen to hi-res audio for pleasure after years of having to listen to lossy codecs.
I agree that the discovery algos suck with Amazon. Spotify and Pandora are much better in that regard, but as an audio engineer the lossless audio is a huge selling point for me.
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Post by ericn on Jan 28, 2021 11:29:08 GMT -6
My Tidal subscription is worth its weight in gold. With the world of radio sinking lower and lower having the ability to sample just about anything at no additional cost has led to the discovery so much music that is new to me. I know Apple also recently added this feature, but having it switch to a playlist after what ever I’m listening to is done is my favorite driving feature.
At home I run an Apple TV 4K HDMI into a Digital Audio extractor to The MYTEK Brooklyn DAC+ using Airplay the IPad makes the perfect remote.
My only gripe is there always have been obscure Albums I love that are not any service, for years it was most of the Tim Finn catalog, Now I’m missing a ton of Richard Thompson.
I just wish there was a way for artists to make a living off of streaming. It’s funny I was in a argument about minimum wage a couple of weeks ago and I listed streaming payment structure as one of the ways we exempt people from the minimum wage just like contract labor , restaurant workers and farm labor.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 28, 2021 11:32:06 GMT -6
For finding new music, yes. Spotify if the best at finding and exploring music and feeding you new music. For the $120 a year it costs(Plus hulu included so pretty good deal) I've never been able to just find more new music than before. Sure it's not top quality. But if it's that good, I'll buy it or find a better version of it.
Necessary in general? Eh, maybe not. All depends on your own personal preferences.
That said, I setup my parents out with Sonos system. They also have a huge CD collection and it was easy to rip them to a hard drive then import the hard drive to the Sonos player. Now they can play their CDs digitally through that, or Amazon music, or Spotify, or Pandora, or...whatever. My mom absoutley loves it and listens to music constantly now and can spread it around the house as she wants and easily control lots of other aspects of it from her phone, computer, ect.
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Post by Michael O. on Jan 28, 2021 13:19:42 GMT -6
The fact that they’re generally run by amoral robber barons aside, streaming services are where the majority of the content is these days, and are second only to the golden age of music blogs in terms of their ability to help most end-user listeners to find more music relevant to their own tastes. I find Spotify only useful if you’re into more mainstream and contemporary music, so my personal preference leans toward the ever-so-slightly more democratic YouTube, whose suggestive algorithms seem to be superior as well, even with esoteric and rare stuff. I have a room full of relatively-cheap vinyl to cover the easily-sourced stuff. That said, I still generally recommend my clients publish to all available services.
But having said all that, local record stores are still (or at least, were, pre-runaway pandemic) the very best place for diehards and fanatics (i.e., probably not most listeners) to find new and relevant music. The personal, human touch of a record store owner that loves their business is a powerful force in terms of spreading the good music gospel.
edit: plus, and more relevant to our end of the production chain, I’ve had clients make appreciable revenue via physical albums while making virtually nothing via streaming. That revenue in turn can fund more people like us...
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 28, 2021 13:31:34 GMT -6
No. I only buy CDs, rip them, and use YouTube and Bandcamp. Right now I only spend 20 bucks every few months instead of 20 a month on music I will never listen to again. It adds up. You see, it's the opposite for me. I would spend way more on buying CD's of all the music I want to listen to than it would cost in a sub for the year. Also, are CD's even still a thing? I don't actually own a device that plays CD's anymore. I think I have an external Apple drive or something, but nothing like a traditional CD player.
I feel guilty about streaming because I know the artists barely get any compensation for their music, even though for me, as a consumer, it's my best option. In my 20's I didn't have two nickels to rub together, but now that I have some discretionary income, I want to support the bands that I dig. I do that by buying vinyl at my local record shops. Figured I can support both bands and local record shops at the same time with my purchases.
Also, aren't we kind of obligated to support music more than most people? I mean, some people could claim ignorance, or perhaps they really don't care, but WE are supposed to know better and care more. Right? I mean, how much money do we spend each year on the 100th redundant plugin-of-the-month when we could just buy some records that we really dig and support the community that we are part of.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 28, 2021 13:33:08 GMT -6
That revenue in turn can fund more people like us... Exactly!!
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 28, 2021 13:35:17 GMT -6
I find Spotify only useful if you’re into more mainstream and contemporary music, Really? See, I've read that Spotify's algo's are really good for new music discovery. For me, I am less interested in top 40 mainstream stuff. I am most excited by diamonds in the rough.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 28, 2021 15:04:33 GMT -6
It is so easy to distribute music to streaming services that there is just a TON of independent artists and small type labels. I've found WAY more music than I ever would have before through spotify. And a vast majority of it is not "mainstream" music. It's really nice and fun.
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Post by brenta on Jan 28, 2021 15:51:36 GMT -6
There's a couple reasons to try to avoid listening to music on YouTube:
1.) Their compression is amongst the worst I've heard. It sounds pretty terrible.
2.) Unless you pay to subscribe to YouTube Red, they pay out an absolutely pathetic amount per stream to artists, even by streaming standards. They pay about 1/4th as much as Spotify.
Amazon actually paid the most per stream in 2020, a little over one cent per stream. Yeah it's still depressing, but that's almost 3x as much as Spotify and 12x more than YouTube.
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Post by Michael O. on Jan 28, 2021 16:09:41 GMT -6
I find Spotify only useful if you’re into more mainstream and contemporary music, Really? See, I've read that Spotify's algo's are really good for new music discovery. For me, I am less interested in top 40 mainstream stuff. I am most excited by diamonds in the rough. That was my experience at least, my wife on the other hand swears by it and clearly gets good results. I think a factor is that the majority of the music I want to hear is either on labels that Spotify doesn’t seem to be in business with, old back-catalogue stuff held by inattentive copyright owners, or is non-English language music, which Spotify doesn’t handle well. YouTube consistently hooks up the goods for me, though, and while the quality is deplorable, especially to someone who cares about that sort of thing, some of the material is only available there or for outrageous prices on discogs.
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Post by Michael O. on Jan 28, 2021 16:26:44 GMT -6
Amazon actually paid the most per stream in 2020, a little over one cent per stream. Yeah it's still depressing, but that's almost 3x as much as Spotify and 12x more than YouTube. 1 cent per-stream is pretty exceptional these days, and unexpected from somebody like Amazon. I’d been considering taking the plunge, and I think you’ve convinced me. Yes, the YouTube compression is absolutely brutal. Surely in 2021 there is a cost-effective compression algorithm that has to sound at least a little better than what they use. But I suffer through for the rare musical gems regardless.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 28, 2021 17:04:11 GMT -6
No. I only buy CDs, rip them, and use YouTube and Bandcamp. Right now I only spend 20 bucks every few months instead of 20 a month on music I will never listen to again. It adds up. You see, it's the opposite for me. I would spend way more on buying CD's of all the music I want to listen to than it would cost in a sub for the year. Also, are CD's even still a thing? I don't actually own a device that plays CD's anymore. I think I have an external Apple drive or something, but nothing like a traditional CD player.
I feel guilty about streaming because I know the artists barely get any compensation for their music, even though for me, as a consumer, it's my best option. In my 20's I didn't have two nickels to rub together, but now that I have some discretionary income, I want to support the bands that I dig. I do that by buying vinyl at my local record shops. Figured I can support both bands and local record shops at the same time with my purchases.
Also, aren't we kind of obligated to support music more than most people? I mean, some people could claim ignorance, or perhaps they really don't care, but WE are supposed to know better and care more. Right? I mean, how much money do we spend each year on the 100th redundant plugin-of-the-month when we could just buy some records that we really dig and support the community that we are part of.
This is also where Bandcamp's "pay what you want to pay" or Patreon's support model can come into play. You can look and see if the band(s) you want to support have a Patreon or you can pay them $50 for their latest single on Bandcamp.
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Post by lando on Jan 28, 2021 18:22:05 GMT -6
I cannot imagine ever going back to physical formats or local files on HD after having Spotify for so long now. So incredibly smooth and convenient to have almost the whole history of music with me wherever I go, no other form of music consumption can replace that for me.
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