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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 14:25:51 GMT -6
Did this yesterday, profile is a Marshall JCM900 into an Orange PPC412, Switches are easy to hear, which one the real amp is isn't so much. Enjoy. I'll post the answers up in a couple days. soundcloud.com/theblueandredroom/kemper-a-b |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 14, 2014 9:30:46 GMT -6
Nice clip.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 13:37:50 GMT -6
No guesses eh?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 14, 2014 13:39:41 GMT -6
Nope. I assume that you set up the 900, made a profile of it, then played each switching between the two? So the settings on the amp were the same that were profiled? I don't really know much about how the Kemper works.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 14, 2014 15:59:22 GMT -6
I'm just guessing here...but the Kemper comes in at 9 seconds? Seems the tiniest bit brighter...That's the only reason I say that.
I had the Kemper for a couple of years. Great piece.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 16:33:31 GMT -6
Nope. I assume that you set up the 900, made a profile of it, then played each switching between the two? So the settings on the amp were the same that were profiled? I don't really know much about how the Kemper works. Yep this is correct. @johnkenn you are correct! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 15, 2014 16:43:48 GMT -6
I would imagine you could probably use the refine button - or whatever it's called to dial it in even closer...
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Post by donr on Apr 15, 2014 18:17:14 GMT -6
First guess I had about the two versions was the second was slightly less wooly, and therefore was the Kemper, but from my experience as Kemper user, you could refine it to a point where there wouldn't be an obvious tell, or tweak the Kemper profile to where it sounded more 'wooly' than the original amp sound. Might have been a fake out.
A Kemper profile doesn't sound much at all like a guitar amp, which IMO why it doesn't sound very impressive at the Kemper booth at the NAMM show, compared to amp companies' demo's. But it does sound just about exactly like a RECORDING of a guitar amp, which is why most of us are at realgearonline in the first place, to record stuff.
Jordan, has the Kemper been useful to you? I've used it on several recordings so far with good and super convenient results. What the Kemper does is unique compared to amp 'modeling' solutions.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 15, 2014 19:03:10 GMT -6
A Kemper profile doesn't sound much at all like a guitar amp, which IMO why it doesn't sound very impressive at the Kemper booth at the NAMM show, compared to amp companies' demo's. But it does sound just about exactly like a RECORDING of a guitar amp, which is why most of us are at realgearonline in the first place, to record stuff. . Exactly...You definitely don't get the "amp in the room" feel or sound. I loved the thing...but I've been perfectly happy going back to an AC15 and a 57 - for what I do...There are still dynamic and feel issues that are different. Like - I still didn't feel like it responded exactly the same when I dug in as a real amp...I also found that having SO many options was kind of paralyzing for me....but man - I'm not slagging the thing at all. It's really great. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 15, 2014 20:33:30 GMT -6
First guess I had about the two versions was the second was slightly less wooly, and therefore was the Kemper, but from my experience as Kemper user, you could refine it to a point where there wouldn't be an obvious tell, or tweak the Kemper profile to where it sounded more 'wooly' than the original amp sound. Might have been a fake out. I heard it the same as well. BUT, (and here's a big but), close enough that I wouldn't care which I used in a mix. It would be easy with the slightest eq to get whatever I wanted out of either. And I'm guessing I would HPF the miked version so that it would sound a bit more thin than the Kemper by the time the mix was done. |
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Post by popmann on Apr 15, 2014 21:38:48 GMT -6
Since when did a JCM900 start being called a "real amp"?  I keed.... |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 16, 2014 2:56:06 GMT -6
Since when did a JCM900 start being called a "real amp"? I keed.... Good one. Might as well be a dod pedal in front of a real amp.  |
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Post by geoff738 on Apr 16, 2014 14:55:45 GMT -6
A Kemper profile doesn't sound much at all like a guitar amp, which IMO why it doesn't sound very impressive at the Kemper booth at the NAMM show, compared to amp companies' demo's. But it does sound just about exactly like a RECORDING of a guitar amp, which is why most of us are at realgearonline in the first place, to record stuff. Can I get a bit of clarification re: this statement. Are you just talking about using it directly into an interface (and thus hearing it through monitors)? Or does this also apply if you have the powered version and you're playing it into a guitar cab? Thanks. And please say hi to Dave and Herb for us next time you see them. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 16, 2014 18:22:07 GMT -6
I think he's talking about recording direct in...
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Post by donr on Apr 16, 2014 20:29:16 GMT -6
A Kemper profile doesn't sound much at all like a guitar amp, which IMO why it doesn't sound very impressive at the Kemper booth at the NAMM show, compared to amp companies' demo's. But it does sound just about exactly like a RECORDING of a guitar amp, which is why most of us are at realgearonline in the first place, to record stuff. Can I get a bit of clarification re: this statement. Are you just talking about using it directly into an interface (and thus hearing it through monitors)? Or does this also apply if you have the powered version and you're playing it into a guitar cab? Thanks. And please say hi to Dave and Herb for us next time you see them. Cheers, Geoff Most of the time I'm plugging guitar into the Kemper and monitoring on the way to the DAW. So the volume is never approaching what a guitar amp typically puts out. When I first got the Kemper, I thought I might use it playing out, at least locally if not on BOC gigs. So I took it to the local Sam Ash store's PA dept. and played it through a bunch of powered PA cabs. The ones that sounded most realistic were QSC K-10's and I bought a pair. In my basement, the Kemper through the K-10's sounds awesome. Mesmerizing, I could play for hours listening to how good it sounded. But it's weird, it feels like you're playing a RECORDING of an amp, not an amp. I know people are using Kempers live with guitar cabs and not the cab part of the profiles. Unless you needed to jump between many different amp rigs all night, I don't see the advantage over just using a real guitar amp. But for recording, the utility, performance and elegance of the Kemper is obvious. The photo with Dave and Herb is a prized memento from 2013 winter NAMM. I was delighted to find out Dave was a BOC fan back in the day, I told him what a great thing he was doing teaching mix craft with his show and Herb sent me the picture later in the month. Nice guys. |
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Post by geoff738 on Apr 16, 2014 22:00:54 GMT -6
Can I get a bit of clarification re: this statement. Are you just talking about using it directly into an interface (and thus hearing it through monitors)? Or does this also apply if you have the powered version and you're playing it into a guitar cab? Thanks. And please say hi to Dave and Herb for us next time you see them. Cheers, Geoff Most of the time I'm plugging guitar into the Kemper and monitoring on the way to the DAW. So the volume is never approaching what a guitar amp typically puts out. When I first got the Kemper, I thought I might use it playing out, at least locally if not on BOC gigs. So I took it to the local Sam Ash store's PA dept. and played it through a bunch of powered PA cabs. The ones that sounded most realistic were QSC K-10's and I bought a pair. In my basement, the Kemper through the K-10's sounds awesome. Mesmerizing, I could play for hours listening to how good it sounded. But it's weird, it feels like you're playing a RECORDING of an amp, not an amp. I know people are using Kempers live with guitar cabs and not the cab part of the profiles. Unless you needed to jump between many different amp rigs all night, I don't see the advantage over just using a real guitar amp. But for recording, the utility, performance and elegance of the Kemper is obvious. The photo with Dave and Herb is a prized memento from 2013 winter NAMM. I was delighted to find out Dave was a BOC fan back in the day, I told him what a great thing he was doing teaching mix craft with his show and Herb sent me the picture later in the month. Nice guys. Thanks for clarifying! First, let me apologize and ask the indulgence of Jordan, the OP, for veering off his original post into a general Kemper thing. And for not having listened to the clip he put up - the old imac I'm on doesn't seem to want to do soundcloud these days. If it is any consolation, I'm a TO guy/ Leafs fan too. Painful. Ok, with that outta the way. A few comments on Don's comments. First, love Pensado's place. Haven't checked it out much in the last few months, but always learn something when I do. Always. Re the live amp thing. I don't gig much and it's not in the kind of places where the nuances of my platinum tone chain are going to make it through the pristine pa system into the acoustic nirvana of the dive I'm playing in. It just don't matter that much in the end, I don't think. If I can hear myself ok is the major thing. A Fender set on the edge of breakup with a boost/ OD or a Marshall and the knowledge that you can roll back the volume on your guitar to clean it up. Pretty much does what it needs to for the kind of places I'd ever find myself in. As for the Kemper? Well, still might be cool. But probably muy overkill. And I've never played with one, so I don't know how much the cab gets involved. But for home/recording, if you had a 2 or 4 x 12 closed back with Celestions, an open back 12 with an alnico, maybe something with 10s or a 15. So three or four cabs. You could cover a lot of ground. i don't have room for 30 amps. But if I could get three or four cabs with a Kemper on top and pretty much cover all that ground? One last thing. Volume. I remember playing a buddy's amp sim. He was pretty excited about it at the time. We played with for a bit and I thought it sucked. Through a Mackie pa or whatever. Then he turned it up so it was moving some air. Damn if it didn't sound pretty good. Not exact, but close enough for r 'n' r. (He eventually ditched it and bought a Swart which was a good call). I rarely monitor anywhere near what even a low watt amp is putting out decibel-wise. I do wonder if that is a big part of the not sounding like an amp, but a recorded version of one. But I could be wrong. Cheers,Geoff |
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