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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 3, 2020 12:28:45 GMT -6
Just curious how y'all think about this feature.
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 3, 2020 12:48:59 GMT -6
Nice to have for sure, but not necessary by any means. I can't say I've ever been worried about a piece of HW not having one.
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Post by jits on Dec 3, 2020 13:38:49 GMT -6
A general question i have on this is - how does any phase difference caused by the compressor circuit on the signal work with dry signal when it is summed? Would this mixing cause discernible -ve effects on the overall sound?
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 3, 2020 13:41:11 GMT -6
I LOVE compressors with built in mix knobs. Wish more came that way.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 3, 2020 13:45:08 GMT -6
I LOVE compressors with built in mix knobs. Wish more came that way. YES. Given the impossibility of predictably avoiding intersample timing/phase issues with a wet/dry slider on an I/O plugin, I think hardware mix knobs are a godsend. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 3, 2020 13:46:53 GMT -6
I don’t care, I have a console and plenty of small mixers to handle this exact task.
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Post by swafford on Dec 3, 2020 13:54:44 GMT -6
Depends on the comp. A Designs Hammer I find It essential. Pendulum OCL/2, not so much.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 3, 2020 14:24:46 GMT -6
I don't care but selected 'nice to have'.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 3, 2020 14:28:55 GMT -6
I really like having the option, use it maybe half the time, not every time. If it's there, pretty good chance it will get used. If it's not there, I'm probably not going to set it up otherwise.
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 3, 2020 14:32:40 GMT -6
I voted yes.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 3, 2020 14:53:22 GMT -6
I don't care but selected 'nice to have'. Haha just to be ornery  |
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 3, 2020 15:17:16 GMT -6
Depends on the comp. A Designs Hammer I find It essential. Pendulum OCL/2, not so much. Don't you mean the A-Designs "Nail"? IIRC the "Hammer" is an EQ. I have a "Nail". |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 15:22:37 GMT -6
It’s cool but if something needs to hit a price point and it causes compromises elsewhere, leave it out. The pot needs a hard bypass to not affect the sound of the 100% wet signal path. I haven’t heard of anyone except internet trolls not buying good gear (or emulations of it) because it didn’t have a wet/dry knob.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 3, 2020 19:09:52 GMT -6
I don't care but selected 'nice to have'. Haha just to be ornery I have one compressor with blend, I've used the feature maybe 1-2 times in 10 years. |
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Post by plinker on Dec 3, 2020 20:33:55 GMT -6
Depends on the comp. A Designs Hammer I find It essential. Pendulum OCL/2, not so much. Don't you mean the A-Designs "Nail"? IIRC the "Hammer" is an EQ. I have a "Nail". Classic: it was a hammer looking for a nail. |
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Post by kevinnyc on Dec 3, 2020 21:11:29 GMT -6
I think it should be a standard feature on compressors...along with a 2:1 ratio...
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Post by drumsound on Dec 4, 2020 1:37:01 GMT -6
I don't own a compressor with a mix knob, but it would be cool to have. I was just looking at the Successor and it has one, and I think it would be cool.
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Post by Ward on Dec 4, 2020 7:36:32 GMT -6
Hasn't been essential for most of the history of recording music . . . but if it's there, those who don't need it can always turn the mix to 100% processed.
But the dry part . . . that won't actually be totally untouched will it?
Will it still run through some circuitry? Transformers? Gain stages?
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 4, 2020 8:47:24 GMT -6
Depends on how you do the wet/dry I suppose. But I imagine for most it’s with and without the compressor portion, so after the input stage / circuitry bht before the voltage controlled amp.
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Post by Ward on Dec 4, 2020 11:14:17 GMT -6
Depends on how you do the wet/dry I suppose. But I imagine for most it’s with and without the compressor portion, so after the input stage / circuitry bht before the voltage controlled amp. I would prefer it wasn't untouched but did actually go through the tubes or trannies or what have you. Case in point, audioscape's magnificent V-Comp. You can turn it to bypass of compression functions and stil get the tonal impact of the 6386 and transformers. I mean, there are things I don't track with compression that I still run through the V-Comp for the tonal upgrade. What it can do to anemic ss and t-less microphones is just beautiful. The most beautiful smeary light distortion ever. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 4, 2020 11:43:27 GMT -6
Depending on how the thing is that may or may not be possible. I think the wet/dry on most designs is inside the transformers, but it can't be inside the same gain stages because those are what are doing the compressing. On a VCA the only thing you have to bypass is the VCA itself, and you have a ready-made blend point in the current to voltage converter after the VCA. But on like a vari-mu design the tube IS the compressor.
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Post by ericn on Dec 4, 2020 14:32:02 GMT -6
Depending on how the thing is that may or may not be possible. I think the wet/dry on most designs is inside the transformers, but it can't be inside the same gain stages because those are what are doing the compressing. On a VCA the only thing you have to bypass is the VCA itself, and you have a ready-made blend point in the current to voltage converter after the VCA. But on like a vari-mu design the tube IS the compressor. See this why I have always just used a mixer or console, it’s always been assumed that these controls were in fact deep enough inside the circuit that you got the color on the dry side as well, all it took was some listening and looking at schematics to realize this isn’t so. Splitting a signal before the compressor and using one input as a dry and one as a wet return on a regular input gives me so many more options as far as EQ routing and even stacking dynamics. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 4, 2020 15:17:08 GMT -6
I don't know on average what's ACTUALLY done by most, but generally you want active In/out buffers, otherwise 50% is a moving target depending on source and load impedance. So it's MORE circuitry than a standard 100% wet only processor. But anything MORE THAN THAT is like asking for a designer to build you, say, two Stalevels but put one in bypass permanently. What's that gonna cost, and is it reasonable, or is it just the buffet at Denny's when you know you could have eaten less of something far better.
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 4, 2020 15:26:34 GMT -6
These days, if I’m going to spend the money on hardware I want the hardware to have “a sound”, something I can’t easily do ITB. In that vein a wet/dry is a great feature.
Also, I personally don’t care about true bypass. It’ll either tracked through for its color or easily bypassed as a HW insert in the DAW. As just mentioned, the V Comp does a good job of that.
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Post by superwack on Dec 5, 2020 11:02:53 GMT -6
Not essential but it’s cool to have.
What would be really unique on a compressor is to have a “fader” instead of just output makeup. Like I’d want it to do 0 to + 20 or something. Why? If I’m using a passive summing box it’d be cool to be able to send the drums or a parallel mix from the D/A through the compressor then have the ability to set the amount of it going to the summing box. While you CAN do that with a wet/dry you don’t always want all the same elements compressed/uncompressed.
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