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Post by chessparov on Nov 28, 2020 21:44:43 GMT -6
"Valerie" the hit by Amy Winehouse...
Original grey NT-1.
Chris
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Post by spindrift on Nov 28, 2020 23:23:45 GMT -6
Adele - Rolling In The Deep vocal mic: R0DE Classic 2.
Go figure.
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Post by rowmat on Nov 29, 2020 1:35:17 GMT -6
Adele - Rolling In The Deep vocal mic: R0DE Classic 2. Go figure. And apply that to everything...
TRACKING: Artist > Room > Mic > Preamp > EQ > Compression > A/D Convertor/Tape MIXING: Tape/Console/Hybrid or ITB > Track EQ > Track Compression/Saturation > Effects > Mixbus EQ/Compression MASTERING: DA/AD Conversion > EQ > Compression/Limiting etc DIGITAL STREAMING: Anyone's guess?
Okay name the mic!
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 29, 2020 8:24:36 GMT -6
I do recall seeing an article, possibly in Sound on Sound about one of the mixes for an Adele record. Mixer had like 3 or 4 de-essers in series to fix some really bad sibilance problems.
I thought that was crazy when I read it.
Those records sound really good though.
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Post by Ward on Nov 29, 2020 9:59:24 GMT -6
I do recall seeing an article, possibly in Sound on Sound about one of the mixes for an Adele record. Mixer had like 3 or 4 de-essers in series to fix some really bad sibilance problems. I thought that was crazy when I read it. Those records sound really good though. Have you seen the notch filtering EQs they had to use for that mix? 7 on the vocal alone, plus overall EQing after all the de-essing. And several compressors . . . and the distortion is CRAZY! The wrong mic makes SO MUCH work for the mixing engineer! So the takeaway from that should be "Oh my God, you wouldn't believe the work they had to do on Adele's vocals because of using a Røde microphone." Because she has an incredible voice that shouldn't take all that just to sound neutral. JMHO. What the heck does experience have to do with anything, right? The difference with a GREAT U47 or (better) U48? You don't have to do that. It captures correctly. Why I love my Heiserman H47 Tube. And soon my H48 tube. .. some day soon, right mdmitch2? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 10:12:44 GMT -6
Years ago when I was at Lexicon, we'd just finished the 960L. The entire engineering staff signed the inside of the lid and Lex gave the unit to Phil Ramone. I'm sure those signatures raised the value by at least 0.0000003 percent.
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Post by spindrift on Nov 29, 2020 10:31:47 GMT -6
I’m a mic snob and by no means endorse the use of the R0de mic on Adele! It is a funny fact though. And yes, very good points that a lot of intensive surgery was necessary to mix that project.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 10:53:13 GMT -6
I do recall seeing an article, possibly in Sound on Sound about one of the mixes for an Adele record. Mixer had like 3 or 4 de-essers in series to fix some really bad sibilance problems. I thought that was crazy when I read it. Those records sound really good though. Have you seen the notch filtering EQs they had to use for that mix? 7 on the vocal alone, plus overall EQing after all the de-essing. And several compressors . . . and the distortion is CRAZY! The wrong mic makes SO MUCH work for the mixing engineer! So the takeaway from that should be "Oh my God, you wouldn't believe the work they had to do on Adele's vocals because of using a Røde microphone." Because she has an incredible voice that shouldn't take all that just to sound neutral. JMHO. What the heck does experience have to do with anything, right? The difference with a GREAT U47 or (better) U48? You don't have to do that. It captures correctly. Why I love my Heiserman H47 Tube. And soon my H48 tube. .. some day soon, right mdmitch2? Ugh that record is typical over mixed pop crap. 7 notch filters sounds like a really shitty guitar setup. You don’t have to do that with Shures and Electrovoices. Chinese ribbons and condensers just need some mojo and dulling respectively. |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 29, 2020 13:05:06 GMT -6
I wonder if the SE X1 usually takes less de-essing than original NT-1? Certainly less than the Silver NT1-A.
Otherwise very nice sounding vocal mic, on the cheap-For a Modern style tone... SE X1.
Chris
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Post by rowmat on Nov 29, 2020 18:01:45 GMT -6
Why I like my U77 is because it has so much detail and focus but without any spitty sibilance and by switching preamps it can work with just about any source.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 29, 2020 18:58:04 GMT -6
IMHO REDD vs. U77 then, would be a fascinating comparison. Never tried a U77, but the REDD amazed me, in those exact 2 ways...
Chris
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Post by donr on Dec 1, 2020 21:35:59 GMT -6
Actually, I know wiz uses one of their mics and his tracks always sound great - so maybe they have a few usable mics in their lineup. I didn’t mean to come off like a pretentious jerk of anything. Just every one I’ve ever used or owned was just plain awful sounding. Ha, I just had a thought for next April Fool's Day. A thread where we all become pretentious jerks for a day, lampooning the worst of Internet forum behavior. |
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Post by rowmat on Dec 1, 2020 21:53:37 GMT -6
IMHO REDD vs. U77 then, would be a fascinating comparison. Never tried a U77, but the REDD amazed me, in those exact 2 ways... Chris The U77 has around 15db higher output than a U87 (60v polarising voltage versus the 87’s 48v) while being much quieter than a U67 and with such a low noise floor and high output you can back off the mic 12” to 18” or more and turn up the preamp and still have plenty of gain available even with a quiet source. Its reach and ability to pull in so much information two feet from a vocalist while remaining noise free is uncanny. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 2, 2020 10:44:26 GMT -6
Actually, I know wiz uses one of their mics and his tracks always sound great - so maybe they have a few usable mics in their lineup. I didn’t mean to come off like a pretentious jerk of anything. Just every one I’ve ever used or owned was just plain awful sounding. Ha, I just had a thought for next April Fool's Day. A thread where we all become pretentious jerks for a day, lampooning the worst of Internet forum behavior. How about we start a thread about a “magic clock”? Not a word clock, but an alarm clock that just makes every thing sound better just plugged into a AC outlet? Oh wait that was the audiophile world in the mid 80’s. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 2, 2020 12:26:49 GMT -6
Alanis Morissette big record being the producers demos, a 414 on vocals, and it sounds it. I'm sure there was a lot of fixin'. I've had it happen once where my 414B-ULS won the big vocal shootout on female lead, who knew? Remember, it was, by survey, preferred by most studios for vocals in the '80's. Mine mainly lives on bass amp, jazz electric guitar, sometimes between toms in figure 8.
Oh, the times I've fixed a vocal done on the wrong mic.......mostly well and no one notices, but I forever hear the fix.
I guess the R0DE in Nashville replaced the previous Fairchild 670 doorstops? Less chance of tripping? But definitely trippin'
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Post by ericn on Dec 2, 2020 12:32:28 GMT -6
Alanis Morissette big record being the producers demos, a 414 on vocals, and it sounds it. I'm sure there was a lot of fixin'. I've had it happen once where my 414B-ULS won the big vocal shootout on female lead, who knew? Remember, it was, by survey, preferred by most studios for vocals in the '80's. Mine mainly lives on bass amp, jazz electric guitar, sometimes between toms in figure 8. Oh, the times I've fixed a vocal done on the wrong mic.......mostly well and no one notices, but I forever hear the fix. I guess the R0DE in Nashville replaced the previous Fairchild 670 doorstops? Less chance of tripping? But definitely trippin' Yeah, but the sound of Jagged Little Pill is those first generation ADAT’s!!! It only proves no matter what we do to make it better it’s all about the song and performance. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 2, 2020 13:00:02 GMT -6
Alanis Morissette big record being the producers demos, a 414 on vocals, and it sounds it. Yeah, but the sound of Jagged Little Pill is those first generation ADAT’s!!! It only proves no matter what we do to make it better it’s all about the song and performance. Yeah, song and performance! But did they use different DA's? I keep pulling things off blackface ADAT tapes and they sound ok with modern playback. |
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Post by Ward on Dec 2, 2020 13:03:01 GMT -6
Yeah, but the sound of Jagged Little Pill is those first generation ADAT’s!!! It only proves no matter what we do to make it better it’s all about the song and performance. Yeah, song and performance! But did they use different DA's? I keep pulling things off blackface ADAT tapes and they sound ok with modern playback. I worked with one of the Beatles' engineers on a record in 91-92. It went from 1" to 2" to ADAT and then back to 2". We just couldn't make ADAT sound right. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 2, 2020 13:08:07 GMT -6
Yeah, song and performance! But did they use different DA's? I keep pulling things off blackface ADAT tapes and they sound ok with modern playback. I worked with one of the Beatles' engineers on a record in 91-92. It went from 1" to 2" to ADAT and then back to 2". We just couldn't make ADAT sound right. Sure, of course not in '92..... |
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Post by ericn on Dec 2, 2020 13:23:47 GMT -6
Yeah, but the sound of Jagged Little Pill is those first generation ADAT’s!!! It only proves no matter what we do to make it better it’s all about the song and performance. Yeah, song and performance! But did they use different DA's? I keep pulling things off blackface ADAT tapes and they sound ok with modern playback. The guys at Alesis made it sound like it was all ADAT but I’ll bet it was Dumped to a DASH machine for mixing. |
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Post by chessparov on Dec 2, 2020 18:40:04 GMT -6
(Best Don Adams/Get Smart/Agent 86 voice)...
"Would you believe it was the very same Tascam Portastudio model, used for "Nebraska?".
"Unfortunately now in a state of disrepair".
Chris
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 3, 2020 1:35:34 GMT -6
Regarding RØDE mics, the NTG3 is actually a very, very good shotgun mic. Sounds very similar to a Sennheiser 416, but a bit more forgiving in the polar pattern. Of course, we rarely need those in the music recording world, but in video? All over the place. It's RF biased, too (also like the 416), making it great for humid locations. And what's the deal with those new expensive RØDE SDCs?
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Post by rowmat on Dec 3, 2020 2:11:59 GMT -6
Regarding RØDE mics, the NTG3 is actually a very, very good shotgun mic. Sounds very similar to a Sennheiser 416, but a bit more forgiving in the polar pattern. Of course, we rarely need those in the music recording world, but in video? All over the place. It's RF biased, too (also like the 416), making it great for humid locations. And what's the deal with those new expensive RØDE SDCs? I have a NTG3. It’s an excellent shotgun mic. |
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Post by Ward on Dec 3, 2020 7:19:39 GMT -6
Regarding RØDE mics, the NTG3 is actually a very, very good shotgun mic. Sounds very similar to a Sennheiser 416, but a bit more forgiving in the polar pattern. Of course, we rarely need those in the music recording world, but in video? All over the place. It's RF biased, too (also like the 416), making it great for humid locations. And what's the deal with those new expensive RØDE SDCs? I have a NTG3. It’s an excellent shotgun mic. You're both correct on this!! Boom ops and mixers alike love it. It is almost as quality as a . . . "Neumann U48 vintage mic signed by two Beatles engineers"!! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 3, 2020 7:34:35 GMT -6
Actually, I know wiz uses one of their mics and his tracks always sound great - so maybe they have a few usable mics in their lineup. I didn’t mean to come off like a pretentious jerk of anything. Just every one I’ve ever used or owned was just plain awful sounding. Ha, I just had a thought for next April Fool's Day. A thread where we all become pretentious jerks for a day, lampooning the worst of Internet forum behavior. I want to be the guy that asks in every thread if the room is treated. |
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