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Post by hadaja on Jul 11, 2020 22:42:03 GMT -6
Langevin DVC dual vocal combo unit. Not sure if they are made anymore? but i was thinking could this unit might be a poor mans LA3 opto style compressor in stereo. Its just the DVC has a separate input if you want to use just the limiter, nifty feature. And yes you get a very clean pre with basic eq as well. when ever there is a clean sounding channel strip or pre-amp it never seems to get much attention, so i have nothing to compare it to other then reading up on old reviews. There is no stock of these in our stores so you never get a chance to test out these nice pieces and have to buy sight unseen or should i say hear unheard. I have had the La4’s and i have had a LA5 with extensive mods that i will never get rid of, i have tried the KT-2a and the wa2a so i have some experience with the opto style comp but not a la3.
anyway if anyone has some experience with the DVC channel strip would love to hear there thoughts
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Post by EmRR on Jul 12, 2020 7:36:56 GMT -6
Langevin was discontinued several years ago IIRC. I have the older ELOP which is half of it, they stopped making that at least a decade ago. It’s a good opto, but it’s not an LA-3.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 12, 2020 13:32:25 GMT -6
I had a DVC for years. It was basically “just OK” at everything. It was “just OK” as a mic pre, with only like 40dB of gain, which was challenging on some vocalists with some mics. The EQ was “just OK,” with limited shelving that I hardly ever ended up using. The Opto was really the best part of it. It was clean and fairly transparent, but again, nothing special. It didn’t do anything *wrong*, per se, just no real character to speak of. It was built really well, like most Manley gear, but not much flavor or mojo or magic.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 12, 2020 13:46:12 GMT -6
I had a DVC for years. It was basically “just OK” at everything. It was “just OK” as a mic pre, with only like 40dB of gain, which was challenging on some vocalists with some mics. The EQ was “just OK,” with limited shelving that I hardly ever ended up using. The Opto was really the best part of it. It was clean and fairly transparent, but again, nothing special. It didn’t do anything *wrong*, per se, just no real character to speak of. It was built really well, like most Manley gear, but not much flavor or mojo or magic. Yeah, I always heard mixed reviews of the preamp/EQ. My impression is it's somewhat a copy of the later AM(3? 4?) end of the road Langevin SS, which is about the least desirable of the original Langevin stuff. The opto's strong suit is, as you say, doesn't do anything wrong, which used to be pretty hard to find. It's solid invisible hand gain control. It will start to erase drum transients, not a first choice for mix bus on rock music. The overall circuit does have a distinctive discrete transistor sound to it, but subtle as those things usually are. Things sound a hair 'bigger/better' if you use it as a line amp with compression in bypass. I've used mine many times as extra gain after the preamp to record crickets at distance with low output mics, for example, a much better approach than ye ole' cloudshitter/etc approach.
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Post by LazyOldSun on Jul 12, 2020 14:34:13 GMT -6
I had a DVC for many years and sold it couple yrs back. I agree with what’s been said so far. The best part was the compressor. I liked it as an all around compressor and even on a mono drum oh. But I preferred my other preamps for more character and rarely used the eq.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 12, 2020 16:17:07 GMT -6
I had a DVC for years. It was basically “just OK” at everything. It was “just OK” as a mic pre, with only like 40dB of gain, which was challenging on some vocalists with some mics. The EQ was “just OK,” with limited shelving that I hardly ever ended up using. The Opto was really the best part of it. It was clean and fairly transparent, but again, nothing special. It didn’t do anything *wrong*, per se, just no real character to speak of. It was built really well, like most Manley gear, but not much flavor or mojo or magic. Yeah, I always heard mixed reviews of the preamp/EQ. My impression is it's somewhat a copy of the later AM(3? 4?) end of the road Langevin SS, which is about the least desirable of the original Langevin stuff. The opto's strong suit is, as you say, doesn't do anything wrong, which used to be pretty hard to find. It's solid invisible hand gain control. It will start to erase drum transients, not a first choice for mix bus on rock music. The overall circuit does have a distinctive discrete transistor sound to it, but subtle as those things usually are. Things sound a hair 'bigger/better' if you use it as a line amp with compression in bypass. I've used mine many times as extra gain after the preamp to record crickets at distance with low output mics, for example, a much better approach than ye ole' cloudshitter/etc approach. These are really good points, Doug. It's easy to forget how few quality new "affordable" hardware pieces were available back when the DVC debuted. I think the first proper piece of outboard I bought was an RNC, followed by the DVC. And I may have undersold certain aspects of it in my prior post. The Opto was good enough that I actually found myself looking for one on eBay/Reverb a few weeks ago, just to see if there were any floating around. It was a great early compressor/limiter for me because it was so simple and generally good sounding that it was hard to mess up audio (especially vocals and guitars) when tracking oneself. Easier than an LA-2A, even, because it was more transparent and more forgiving. The compression action was not as audible, which was a good thing for me at that point in my recording career.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 14:11:19 GMT -6
I ordered one in 2006 but sent it back. I lived in an apartment and it was unusable due to it picking up the radio. I also had a Great River me1nv and that was dead quiet - I even used all the same cable when comparing units. No issues with any other gear in my old rig at that apartment (distressor, mc77's, Pacifica, etc etc).
As for the sound of the unit ignoring the radio noise, it was pretty bland. Even with the high and low shelves engaged and taking off a few db and adding a lil makeup gain with the opto, the Great River alone (no eq or comp) sounded way better to me. The DVC also felt cheap compared to nicer units I had from the other brands mentioned. Tech support was somewhat aloof. Returned and moved on.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 15, 2020 9:44:26 GMT -6
The only thing I ever hear referred to as seeming cheap is the feel of the pots, which are more expensive conductive plastic types....and.....that's what they feel like. Mine has to be 25 years old at this point. It's one of the only things I have that old which doesn't have a scratchy pot position if I don't use it for 6 months.
There is a ground strap that can be set differently IIRC correctly. That is annoying, so many possibilities as to cause. The ELOP at least is unbalanced in/out on the 1/4", and probably impedance balanced on the XLR. You can make certain connections, like transformer coupled into the 1/4" that don't work at all, has to be the XLR.
I'd say the Great River is SUPPOSED to sound like something, the Langevin really isn't. It's in the category of 'good' not sounding like anything as opposed to the sea of 'bad' not sounding like anything that reveal themselves as 'actually sounding like something not so great' after repeated use.
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Post by dagogo on Jul 17, 2020 16:59:54 GMT -6
I'll echo the other comments. I was excited to get one many years ago but found it very "meh". No, not like an La3. It works and does the job but nothing more. I ended up selling and getting a Manley elop which I was much happier with at the time.
I sort of disagree about the preamp though. I think it's a real sleeper and a good deal for the money. I had an AM4 console at the same time and compared. Even though the circuit is different in the manley unit, the sound was very close. Both sounded great. There was something nice about the basic eq too. I didn't use it a lot but it sounded very good and was nice to have. I've seen the preamps go for $700ish. Can't go wrong. I've also seen some more than reasonable DVC prices and have considered buying one myself.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 17, 2020 17:49:48 GMT -6
I'll echo the other comments. I was excited to get one many years ago but found it very "meh". No, not like an La3. It works and does the job but nothing more. I ended up selling and getting a Manley elop which I was much happier with at the time. Would you say the compression action was the same, and the amp tone was the difference, or the compression was also different?
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Post by dagogo on Jul 17, 2020 21:31:14 GMT -6
My impression was that the characteristic the la3 had was to make signal sound slightly thicker and more present or "in your face". I never experienced that with the L elop, it was just smooth leveling but without the "present" or thickening effects. Just like you said above...kind of designed without much of a sound but didn't sound bad. I never had a chance to actually a-b them, but from memory I think both the compression and the amp tone were different.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 18, 2020 11:44:47 GMT -6
The one handy unique feature is the stereo balance control. You can do a lot with that.
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