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Post by klauth on Jul 1, 2020 12:11:20 GMT -6
For you guys that track drums. How many channels of A/D do you have in your studio. Or, if your tracking somewhere else, how many channels do you like to have at your disposal?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 1, 2020 12:19:28 GMT -6
I have 24 channels of AD and generally use 12 on drums.
Kick In
Kick Out
Snare top dynamic
Snare top condenser
Snare bottom
Rack
Floor
Over ride
Over hats
Room mid
Room side a
Room side b
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 1, 2020 12:31:12 GMT -6
I like to have 14 channels because I use lots of room mics at different distances. I rarely use them all during the mix however. But its part of how I learn new things, taking a pair of mics i've never used and putting them in various positions along with my normal go-to mics/positions.
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Post by schmalzy on Jul 1, 2020 12:50:09 GMT -6
I have 18 channels of A/D.
Looking at my console...
Kick In
Kick Out
OH H
OH R
Rm H
Rm R
Rm Close/M
Tom 1
Tom 2
Tom 3
Snare Top
Snare Bottom
Spot 1
Spot 2
+ 4 tracks for live/scratch tracks.
I'll sacrifice the mono room for a 4th tom or for an extra live/scratch track.
If I don't need live/scratch tracks, I'll add room mics or prioritize extra stuff I want/need. Sometimes those are effect mics for different treatments during the track. Sometimes those are just capturing extra options.
I pretty much always fill up my A/Ds when tracking drums. My intention is to get the sounds with as few mics as possible but have different subtleties - or non-subtleties - evolve over the course of the song. Close mono room during the early part of a song but then a distant mono room during a breakdown-y prechorus into a stereo room during the 2nd chorus? Hell yeah. Shrink to a trashy on-the-floor-under-the-snare mic? Tension. Back to the stereo room but add the close mono room distorted during the outro? High fives from the band. ESPECIALLY if I'm leaning on the room mics for as much of the drum sound as I can get.
"The same instrument" but with different flavors and moods has gotten me as many clients as my songwriting has.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 1, 2020 13:24:07 GMT -6
24 channels normally, 40 in a pinch if I patch two other things. Rare to hit more than 20 in a tracking session, drums anywere from 6-12 normally.
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Post by subspace on Jul 1, 2020 13:34:32 GMT -6
For you guys that track drums. How many channels of A/D do you have in your studio. Or, if your tracking somewhere else, how many channels do you like to have at your disposal? 32 up to 48k, 24 above that, drums are usually 9-12 of them - KI, KO, ST, SB, T, F, LOH, ROH, RM, additional toms, maybe stereo room or crotch mic. |
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Post by svart on Jul 1, 2020 13:45:03 GMT -6
24 channels available for normal work. Up to 32 if I need it, but have never needed 32.
Drums are usually:
OH L
OH R
Room mono
Crotch
SN T
SN B
Kick IN
Kick OUT
Toms 1,2,3,4
So usually 12. Sometimes I add hihat or do stereo rooms or add a trigger input from the snare while sometimes I don't use them all.
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Post by christopher on Jul 1, 2020 14:41:53 GMT -6
If I ever had enough time and equipment I would love to max out around 22 tracks. Just for fun. These days we can sample the bottom heads and trigger them if we really want to. (I often get by 3-8 tracks lately, nobody likes setup time, esp the hours of adjusting phase and tuning) .
K out
K in / beater
Kick shell
SNR top
SNR top/side mic2
SNR bottom
Hat
T1 top
T1 bottom
T2 top
T2 bottom
T3 top
T3 bottom
Overhead hats
Overhead ride
Spot crash 1
Spot crash 2
Spot ride
Room L
Room R
Extra 1 (sub kick?)
Extra 2 (over shoulder?)
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Post by notneeson on Jul 1, 2020 15:10:25 GMT -6
We have 20 inputs. Most commercial places I work are just 32 or 24.
Edit:
Here's an old input list from a session at Wally's Hyde Out where I was emailing back and forth about mics etc:
Kick
Mic - RE20 or Audix D6
Preamp - X73
Comp. - DBX 160x
Might be cool to have the tube Royer on Kick Out, that mic is pretty amazing and you can always mute it.
Snare
Mic - 57
Pre - X73
Comp. EL-8
Overheads
Mics - KM84 (one over the ride the other between hihat and crash)
Pres - X73
Room Mics
Royer SF-12 (Chest height centered 3-6 feet in front of kit)
Pres - RPQ
Floor Tom
Mic - 421
Pre - 512 - 550eq
Guitar
Mics - 121 & 57
Pre - TG2
Bass
DI - 610
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Post by timcampbell on Jul 1, 2020 17:16:26 GMT -6
I could easily run 64 channels in one machine if I want it but usually I run an Antelope 32+hd. I like to have between 12-14 channels for drums. I can always throw some channels away if I decide I don't need them but it's hard to recreate them later on if I didn't record them.
I will say that I recorded plenty of drums to 4 tracks in my youth and bounced them down to 2 track if necessary and I think many of those tracks still sound good today.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 1, 2020 17:22:22 GMT -6
Currently 26 channels I/O in the main room. Would like to increase, but it's not a burning need.
At the moment, 10 mics on drums.
I could use more. Extra room mics, extra kick mic, hats, ride, under things, stuff like that, could be added.
Here's 10 tracks:
Snare
Kick 1
Kick 2
OH L
OH R
Tom1
Tom2
Tom3
Room mid
Room side
(mid side room array, decoded in the mix template)
It's "simple" but it's certainly enough.
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Post by michaelcleary on Jul 1, 2020 17:35:31 GMT -6
Motu 16a. I use 8 for drums. I recently started collaborating with a drummer remotely and on some tunes he has sent up to 20 tracks.
Kick
snare
hi tom
mid tom
floor tom
HH
OH L
OH R
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Post by thirdeye on Jul 1, 2020 18:27:06 GMT -6
We have 40 mic preamps half normalled to dedicated A/D. Usually for drums, we max out at around 16 inputs and occasionally more for big ol' kits (I think we tracked 22 inputs for the kit in the picture). There's also 56 A/D and D/A wired to the patchbay and outboard, used as hardware inserts in Pro Tools. This setup allows us to track the "clean" mic preamp along with the compressed or EQ'd signal if we wish. There's also a stereo A/D for printing the mix.    |
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Post by drbill on Jul 1, 2020 19:04:37 GMT -6
96 Channels of AD/DA. Will be moving up to 112 shortly. Don't use that many channels for drums though....  Usually between 12-16. Or 3. Depends. |
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Post by drumsound on Jul 1, 2020 23:18:31 GMT -6
We have 40 mic preamps half normalled to dedicated A/D. Usually for drums, we max out at around 16 inputs and occasionally more for big ol' kits (I think we tracked 22 inputs for the kit in the picture). There's also 56 A/D and D/A wired to the patchbay and outboard, used as hardware inserts in Pro Tools. This setup allows us to track the "clean" mic preamp along with the compressed or EQ'd signal if we wish. There's also a stereo A/D for printing the mix. Did you track Mick Portnoy? --- I have a 32 I/O unit, but only have 24 channels hooked up. I've been considering redoing my snakes, and if I do, I'll have them all at the ready. For tracking dates, 16 is around average. |
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Post by thirdeye on Jul 1, 2020 23:24:47 GMT -6
We have 40 mic preamps half normalled to dedicated A/D. Usually for drums, we max out at around 16 inputs and occasionally more for big ol' kits (I think we tracked 22 inputs for the kit in the picture). There's also 56 A/D and D/A wired to the patchbay and outboard, used as hardware inserts in Pro Tools. This setup allows us to track the "clean" mic preamp along with the compressed or EQ'd signal if we wish. There's also a stereo A/D for printing the mix. Did you track Mick Portnoy? --- I have a 32 I/O unit, but only have 24 channels hooked up. I've been considering redoing my snakes, and if I do, I'll have them all at the ready. For tracking dates, 16 is around average. Ha! No. The drummer's name is Jason Rullo. For this project, he was playing in a band called "3 Rules". His normal gig is in a band called Symphony X. |
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Post by klauth on Jul 2, 2020 0:37:31 GMT -6
To all who posted, list your converter brand and model.
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Post by drbill on Jul 2, 2020 0:56:12 GMT -6
AVID HD i/o
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 2, 2020 1:00:42 GMT -6
Pryamix at the studio has 32ch In and 48ch out for DXD tracking. using Merging Technologies Hapi and Horus boxes with the premium cards.
PT is larger system with 64ch IO but about half is digital only. Using just Avid converters. But use Grace m108s or m802s converters for mic preamps.
Home is 32ch with Digi192.
Rarely need more than 24ch for tracking. Unless I'm doing orchestra then all bets are off. But haven't done that in a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 1:09:23 GMT -6
I have 10 hooked up right now for mixing and guitar/vocal recording only. I can hook up to 48 if I felt like it with the MOTU AVB mixer but my last 16 are trash.
The current death metal project I'm mixing had for the drum multitracks:
2 overheads
4 toms
1 kick with double pedal
1 snare
1 ride
That's it. Filthy with bleed everywhere. It needed a lot of work and some tube processing but sounds furious now except for the double kick pedal turning into a sine wave (when the engineer who recorded it tuned the kick) making it sound like a gravity well. The drummer actually hit the snare on blasts instead of some limp wristed tremors.
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Post by Ward on Jul 2, 2020 5:09:53 GMT -6
I'm using 48 channels of Avid HD i/o, and am presently tracking a band with the following
1 Kick In
2 Kick Out
3 Snare top dynamic
4 Snare top condenser
5 Snare bottom
6 Snare side
7 Piccolo Snare top
8 10" Rack Tom
9 12" Rack Tom
10 14" Floor Tom
11 16" Floor Tom
12-13 Overhead Condensors
14-15 Overhead Ribbons
16 Hi Hats
17 Ride
18-19 Room a & b
20 Bass guitar DI
21 Bass guitar amp
22 Marshall a
23 Marshall b
24 Guide Vocals
25 Talkback mic, recorded just in case any queues need to be referenced afterwards
Not a huge set-up for this record, but I think 40 is about where it normally maxes out.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 2, 2020 9:46:34 GMT -6
My personal rig contains an Avid Omni, an original 192, and the DA in my D-box.
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Post by thirdeye on Jul 2, 2020 9:50:33 GMT -6
To all who posted, list your converter brand and model. We are using Lynx Aurora 16s and Digidesign 192 i/o's. Old school!! |
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Post by bradd on Jul 2, 2020 9:58:09 GMT -6
I have 24 i/o. Drums range from 4 to 12 inputs depending upon the material. I'm using an Apogee Symphony MKI set up.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 2, 2020 10:00:25 GMT -6
I've got a Presonus Quantum, Clarett OctoPre, and a Tascam 8p Dyna. Also included are the 2 channel boxes of UH7000 (inputs, preamps) and Topping DX7 (monitor outputs).
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