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Post by bombadil on May 16, 2020 20:04:37 GMT -6
I want to control a wild singer but I don't want the compression, I just want the volume control. Sort of like Vocal Rider but outboard, in the vocal chain. Don't want to squash anything, just automatically not go above a certain level. Does such a device exist? Not everyone's voice sounds good compressed...
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Post by nudwig on May 16, 2020 21:05:04 GMT -6
Of course there's always fader rides but on the compression not sounding too compressed Innertube Audio Squeezebox is my favorite for singers with wild dynamic swings. Would be interesting to see if there were such a box like you describe. Have you tried a limiter instead of compressor?
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Post by ericn on May 16, 2020 21:40:01 GMT -6
The best bet is just a bit of your favorite compressor and ride the fader.
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Post by indiehouse on May 16, 2020 22:22:28 GMT -6
What about a modded Aphex 651? JW describes it as a little man inside the box riding the volume. Inexpensive to boot.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 16, 2020 23:09:22 GMT -6
I would offer the CAPI 526 too. Personally, that has been the most transparent volume jockey I’ve ever dealt with. Now that was before the transformer version, and maybe it’s not completely colorless, but damn, talking about quick.
Other than that, how about drawing in volume automation?
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Post by schmalzy on May 17, 2020 5:07:09 GMT -6
When I'm looking for something like this I've done fader rides on a vocal into a super fast attack medium release compressor. An 1176-style compressor at 2:1 is great.
Another thing I always do is split my vocal recordings. I compress one fairly hard (6-10-ish db of reduction at the big moments - a lot of the singers I work with like to be able to sing hard without blowing themselves out of their cue mix) and leave the other untouched. When I'm consolidating tracks to mix later I'll listen to see if the compression was too much or if it was appropriate. If I need that "uncompressed" sound then I'll blend the compressed and uncompressed to give me the consistency of the compression while leaving as much of the uncompressed sound in tact.
I think if you combine those two techniques - riding a fader into a compressor and blending a compressed and uncompressed signal - you'll have as controlled a vocal level as possible while not sounding "squashed.
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Post by plinker on May 17, 2020 8:45:27 GMT -6
The Safe Sound Audio compressor is the cleanest I’ve ever heard.
Triple sidechain that progressively clamps down into the signal. It’s keeps the signal clear and crisp — molding the compression to the dynamics of the signal.
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Post by bombadil on May 17, 2020 9:02:10 GMT -6
What about a modded Aphex 651? JW describes it as a little man inside the box riding the volume. Inexpensive to boot.
I just bought an Aphex Compellor 301 (single channel) for $100 on eBay. If it doesn't work out I'll probably go for the JW 651. Thanks
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Post by bombadil on May 17, 2020 9:17:33 GMT -6
The Safe Sound Audio compressor is the cleanest I’ve ever heard. Triple sidechain that progressively clamps down into the signal. It’s keeps the signal clear and crisp — molding the compression to the dynamics of the signal. The company appears to be defunct or not have a website. I've seen good reviews of it, but can't find any for sale, used or new. |
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Post by plinker on May 17, 2020 9:22:10 GMT -6
The Safe Sound Audio compressor is the cleanest I’ve ever heard. Triple sidechain that progressively clamps down into the signal. It’s keeps the signal clear and crisp — molding the compression to the dynamics of the signal. The company appears to be defunct or not have a website. I've seen good reviews of it, but can't find any for sale, used or new. Yes. They are unfortunately not around anymore. The original unit, P1, sometimes shows up used. I have three that I will probably never sell. There is also a 500 unit and the Dynamics Toolbox that’s a stereo/dual-mono compressor. The units are loaded with top-quality THAT VCAs. |
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Post by EmRR on May 17, 2020 11:29:14 GMT -6
The Safe Sound Audio compressor is the cleanest I’ve ever heard. Triple sidechain that progressively clamps down into the signal. It’s keeps the signal clear and crisp — molding the compression to the dynamics of the signal. I expect the Safesound and the FCS stuff to be fairly similar in transparency. |
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Post by plinker on May 17, 2020 12:17:55 GMT -6
The Safe Sound Audio compressor is the cleanest I’ve ever heard. Triple sidechain that progressively clamps down into the signal. It’s keeps the signal clear and crisp — molding the compression to the dynamics of the signal. I expect the Safesound and the FCS stuff to be fairly similar in transparency. Does Foote do something similar in the sidechain? |
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Post by guitfiddler on May 17, 2020 12:26:44 GMT -6
I would offer the CAPI 526 too. Personally, that has been the most transparent volume jockey I’ve ever dealt with. Now that was before the transformer version, and maybe it’s not completely colorless, but damn, talking about quick. Other than that, how about drawing in volume automation? I need some CAPI in my life! |
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Post by tkaitkai on May 17, 2020 12:27:51 GMT -6
I have a Grace M102 for this exact purpose. Fastest attack, fastest release, highest ratio = completely transparent level control. It sounds more natural than most “clean” compressor plugs. Definitely recommend.
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Post by EmRR on May 17, 2020 12:37:42 GMT -6
I expect the Safesound and the FCS stuff to be fairly similar in transparency. Does Foote do something similar in the sidechain? It's not the layered type of SC the Safesound is, but depending on the model, there are multiple types of SC and the ability to make them interact. I've never used the Safesound, I'd be curious to compare. |
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Post by jampa on May 17, 2020 15:30:00 GMT -6
In plugin land - worth a gander
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Post by Blackdawg on May 17, 2020 21:47:41 GMT -6
What about a modded Aphex 651? JW describes it as a little man inside the box riding the volume. Inexpensive to boot. Do you have one? Are all the controls stepped or are they variable? A video I saw shows the High Freq boost as stepped but can't tell on the others.. |
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Post by sean on May 18, 2020 15:38:08 GMT -6
I've had several Aphex 651's. All the controls are variable. If you want transparent, that's the way to go. You can also get the 661 and I believe the "tubessence" circuit can be taken in and out of the chain by an internal jumper
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