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Post by drbill on Apr 17, 2020 10:29:12 GMT -6
I've got the chance to pick up a beautiful pair of Schoeps from a trusted friend / recordist. Immaculate condition, and he says he likes them MUCH better than KM84's as orchestral spots, Drum overs, Ac Gtr, etc.. Says they are smoother. BTW, he has the KM84/86/53//54, etc. as well - so he has pretty good perspective. I'm just curious if anyone around these parts has used the Schoeps and their opinion. CMC6-MK4.
Any experiential thoughts? I've never had a chance to use them...
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 17, 2020 10:49:35 GMT -6
I also prefer the Schoeps to an 84 for orchestral recording. I prefer the 84 for pop recording because the bleed is cleaner and it takes eq. better in a mix.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 17, 2020 12:32:29 GMT -6
Hi Doc, I have a pair of schoeps that I use all the time, CMC6s with MK4, MK41 and mk21 caps. You can hear them hear all over the tracks I did for this pre shootout, everything is miced with the Schoeps except for the guitar amp, tree audio branch preamp, no eq or comp into apogee converters. www.dropbox.com/s/j1eas0hydt34xd2/MYSTERY%20PREAMP.mp3?dl=0Here a some mono overhead tests with a schoeps into a vp28. www.dropbox.com/sh/rks2gjaa1sfxrhh/AADbekyoUbQAj1t_-5DR5Zqka?dl=0The Schoeps are darker compared to the KMs. They sound really nice. I use a pair of 84s in the studio, they're awesome and while I would love to have a pair somedayt I really don't need them. I personally like the Schoeps better for most of what I do, roots americana stuff. I do find they are much pickier than KMs preamp wise. The Schoeps can sound pretty bland through some pres. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 17, 2020 12:33:05 GMT -6
I use Schoeps all the time. MK4, MK2, MK2H, MK8.
They are great. Staples of the Classical recording world. Same with DPA.
I have limited experience with KM84s, But I don't think you'd regret the Schoeps at all. we used to use them for woodwind spots all the time. And strings here and there.
I use them to spot Cello outdoors a lot. The capsules aren't effected by temperature shifts like DPAs can be.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Apr 17, 2020 12:35:02 GMT -6
totally agree with Brice. I love both, but find Schoeps more versatile, being darker, and a little more detailed.
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Post by drbill on Apr 17, 2020 12:37:18 GMT -6
Thanks Bob, Bryce & BD!!! Perfect information. My buddy is selling a variety of Shoeps configs - omni's, LCR, spot mics, matched pair (above), and there's a scoring stage that may get them all, but if they don't I think I'll check em out. Not incredibly expensive, and these are in pristine shape. Will probably cost in the 1000-1200 range apiece.
Bryce will listen to those tracks later - thanks.
Just when I thought I was done with SDC's..... LOL
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Post by mcirish on Apr 17, 2020 13:14:14 GMT -6
The descriptions here of the Schoeps sound a bit like how I feel the Beyerdynamic MC930 sounds when compared to a KM84. I know this is completely off-topic but I'd be curious to know what others with KM84, MC930 and the Schoeps think of in in comparison. I have never used a Schoeps but I have worked extensively with both the others. The KM84 has a slight mid push that makes them great on acoustic guitar and mandolin but I didn't like it at all on violin. I preferred the MC930 over all other mics I have on violin. Smoother sound to my ears.
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Post by aremos on Apr 17, 2020 14:50:28 GMT -6
Can't go wrong with the MK4. "Might" not be their "best" for some but will always work & sound neutral, but musical, with just about any source. Love my CMC6-4
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 17, 2020 15:25:46 GMT -6
Thanks Bob, Bryce & BD!!! Perfect information. My buddy is selling a variety of Shoeps configs - omni's, LCR, spot mics, matched pair (above), and there's a scoring stage that may get them all, but if they don't I think I'll check em out. Not incredibly expensive, and these are in pristine shape. Will probably cost in the 1000-1200 range apiece. Bryce will listen to those tracks later - thanks. Just when I thought I was done with SDC's..... LOL I'd also give the DPA4011a's a chance if you can. The DPA's have a better off axis response and also are just...insanely good. Big DPA fan. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 17, 2020 15:53:42 GMT -6
The descriptions here of the Schoeps sound a bit like how I feel the Beyerdynamic MC930 sounds when compared to a KM84. I know this is completely off-topic but I'd be curious to know what others with KM84, MC930 and the Schoeps think of in in comparison. I have never used a Schoeps but I have worked extensively with both the others. The KM84 has a slight mid push that makes them great on acoustic guitar and mandolin but I didn't like it at all on violin. I preferred the MC930 over all other mics I have on violin. Smoother sound to my ears. I have used all three a lot. The beyer are very nice but I find they lack a little personality. The km84s are super smooth yet bright at the same time and have kind of a finished sound. The schoeps have great depth and a certain rawness that I personally love. The beyers I find a bit dull compared to the others and the transients harder, particularly on acoustic guitars. In the mid priced sdcs I like the soyuz better tbh. I’m a big beyer fanboy, i own the 88,201,160,260, 69, 380 But the 930 never really wowed me. |
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Post by plinker on Apr 17, 2020 16:56:59 GMT -6
I have used all three a lot. The beyer are very nice but I find they lack a little personality. The km84s are super smooth yet bright at the same time and have kind of a finished sound. The schoeps have great depth and a certain rawness that I personally love. The beyers I find a bit dull compared to the others and the transients harder, particularly on acoustic guitars. In the mid priced sdcs I like the soyuz better tbh. I’m a big beyer fanboy, i own the 88,201,160,260, 69, 380 But the 930 never really wowed me. I with you as a fanboy. I have most of those mics and find the mc930 to totally sound like a Beyer. I'm definitely not saying it "wows", but it certainly comes from the same sonic family -- and I'm a family man! |
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 17, 2020 19:51:08 GMT -6
The descriptions here of the Schoeps sound a bit like how I feel the Beyerdynamic MC930 sounds when compared to a KM84. I know this is completely off-topic but I'd be curious to know what others with KM84, MC930 and the Schoeps think of in in comparison. I have never used a Schoeps but I have worked extensively with both the others. The KM84 has a slight mid push that makes them great on acoustic guitar and mandolin but I didn't like it at all on violin. I preferred the MC930 over all other mics I have on violin. Smoother sound to my ears. I have used all three a lot. The beyer are very nice but I find they lack a little personality. The km84s are super smooth yet bright at the same time and have kind of a finished sound. The schoeps have great depth and a certain rawness that I personally love. The beyers I find a bit dull compared to the others and the transients harder, particularly on acoustic guitars. In the mid priced sdcs I like the soyuz better tbh. I’m a big beyer fanboy, i own the 88,201,160,260, 69, 380 But the 930 never really wowed me. Totally agree with you on the Beyers. They’ve been my staple sdc for years, but they can be a little “hard”. Sometimes I wish they would breathe a little more, if that makes sense. A friend with a local studio has the schoeps. They definitely have that breath. Like you don’t hear the sound pushing into the mic kind of. They just open up and let the sound through. I love them on drums at his place. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 18, 2020 3:50:16 GMT -6
I have used all three a lot. The beyer are very nice but I find they lack a little personality. The km84s are super smooth yet bright at the same time and have kind of a finished sound. The schoeps have great depth and a certain rawness that I personally love. The beyers I find a bit dull compared to the others and the transients harder, particularly on acoustic guitars. In the mid priced sdcs I like the soyuz better tbh. I’m a big beyer fanboy, i own the 88,201,160,260, 69, 380 But the 930 never really wowed me. I with you as a fanboy. I have most of those mics and find the mc930 to totally sound like a Beyer. I'm definitely not saying it "wows", but it certainly comes from the same sonic family -- and I'm a family man! Well they are very good mics and I would take them over the new Kms for what I do. It's just each time I have access to them in a studio I end up picking something else, which to be fair is always something way way more expensive, whether it be km54s ( probably my favorite out of things I've tried), 84s, Josephsons or my Schoeps and again, it's not like the Beyers sound bad, it's just the others add something really special. I like the Beyers on stand up bass a lot. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 18, 2020 3:54:50 GMT -6
I have used all three a lot. The beyer are very nice but I find they lack a little personality. The km84s are super smooth yet bright at the same time and have kind of a finished sound. The schoeps have great depth and a certain rawness that I personally love. The beyers I find a bit dull compared to the others and the transients harder, particularly on acoustic guitars. In the mid priced sdcs I like the soyuz better tbh. I’m a big beyer fanboy, i own the 88,201,160,260, 69, 380 But the 930 never really wowed me. Totally agree with you on the Beyers. They’ve been my staple sdc for years, but they can be a little “hard”. Sometimes I wish they would breathe a little more, if that makes sense. A friend with a local studio has the schoeps. They definitely have that breath. Like you don’t hear the sound pushing into the mic kind of. They just open up and let the sound through. I love them on drums at his place. Yes that's exactly it. There's something effortless about the 84s or the Schoeps. For some genres the Beyers might be better though. I could see someone favoring them over Schoeps on heavy rock/metal overheads, the Schoeps might sound a bit boring or real whereas the Beyer with their "harder" character might contribute to the agressive punch of the drum kit and the low bump they have compared to Schoeps might fatten up the snare. |
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Post by LazyOldSun on Apr 19, 2020 11:55:00 GMT -6
I own schoeps mk4s & mk41s
as well as km84s.
I would happily use the schoeps for the similar applications as km84s.
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Post by drbill on Apr 19, 2020 12:56:52 GMT -6
With the current economic trainwreck and the uncertainty in the future, I think I may put the Schoeps on the back burner and focus more on something that will bring a bigger (literally) focus on things in my recordings. -- an RCA44BX. There is a collector that I know with DOZENS of them that is starting to thin his herd, and I have a mutual friend buddy who is local to him that will pick out the best for me. The Schoeps I can get anytime. They are still on the horizon, but now taking a back seat. Thanks to all for your thoughts on the Schoeps!! Very helpful. bp
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Post by hadaja on Apr 19, 2020 14:41:10 GMT -6
With the current economic trainwreck and the uncertainty in the future, I think I may put the Schoeps on the back burner and focus more on something that will bring a bigger (literally) focus on things in my recordings. -- an RCA44BX. There is a collector that I know with DOZENS of them that is starting to thin his herd, and I have a mutual friend buddy who is local to him that will pick out the best for me. The Schoeps I can get anytime. They are still on the horizon, but now taking a back seat. Thanks to all for your thoughts on the Schoeps!! Very helpful. bp I miss my rca 44bx , you wont go wrong getting one of these they are pretty special. My aim is to get another one this year. I trust you grab at least 2 of these. |
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Post by drbill on Apr 19, 2020 14:51:59 GMT -6
With the current economic trainwreck and the uncertainty in the future, I think I may put the Schoeps on the back burner and focus more on something that will bring a bigger (literally) focus on things in my recordings. -- an RCA44BX. There is a collector that I know with DOZENS of them that is starting to thin his herd, and I have a mutual friend buddy who is local to him that will pick out the best for me. The Schoeps I can get anytime. They are still on the horizon, but now taking a back seat. Thanks to all for your thoughts on the Schoeps!! Very helpful. bp I miss my rca 44bx , you wont go wrong getting one of these they are pretty special. My aim is to get another one this year. I trust you grab at least 2 of these. Haha! Wish I could afford two. But I'll hopefully get one. The decent ones are fetching pretty high prices these days... I want to get an original over one of the AEA's. |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 19, 2020 16:54:58 GMT -6
The original "social distance" microphone?  Chris |
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 20, 2020 15:42:18 GMT -6
I've got the chance to pick up a beautiful pair of Schoeps from a trusted friend / recordist. Immaculate condition, and he says he likes them MUCH better than KM84's as orchestral spots, Drum overs, Ac Gtr, etc.. Says they are smoother. BTW, he has the KM84/86/53//54, etc. as well - so he has pretty good perspective. I'm just curious if anyone around these parts has used the Schoeps and their opinion. CMC6-MK4. Any experiential thoughts? I've never had a chance to use them... I have no direct experience with them but I used to know Dan Alexander pretty well during the period when he was buying "old junk" mics (like U-47s) for cheap over in Europe and bringing them back to the US where he was establishing the vintage gear market, back in the '70s and '80s. I remember him going absolutely ga-ga over some Shoeps he'd brought back. I'd never heard of them before. |
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Post by roundbadge on Apr 22, 2020 18:05:28 GMT -6
I have pairs of both and like them both.
IMO KM's are a little more rock n roll..got a slight bite in the upper mids that just works.
that said I use the schoeps more on dialog recording or when a more natural capture is needed.
more tools the better.
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