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Post by keymod on Dec 28, 2019 5:23:42 GMT -6
Anyone micing a Leslie with a ribbon? Good idea? Bad for the Ribbon?
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Post by spindrift on Dec 28, 2019 7:18:40 GMT -6
I have damaged my 4038s ribbons many times. On one occasion, the exact source of trouble was not ever completely confirmed but the mics did do some Leslie duty before they crapped out. I never felt too much wind coming from the 122 but it’s possible that a day of overdubs might have stretched the ribbons. 4038s are some of my most delicate mics.
I’ve taken to using 87s or 421s on Leslie out of fear of damaging my Coles. Beyer M160s may take a bit more abuse and are worth a shot.
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Post by rob61 on Dec 28, 2019 7:34:04 GMT -6
Like living dangerously? You would be ok IF you mic from the Leslie front or sides, placed a couple feet back and slightly above the louvers, which will displace enough of the air. You will get more of a natural Leslie room sound. I've use an AEA R-88 this way without incident. However, most like to mic from the back and closer in, with panels off, and that could easily damage a ribbon mic. If you want the closer in mics with an open back, stay with some sturdy dynamics. Condensers are possible, but you may need wind screens to avoid low frequency rumbles. U87s are nice up top. RE-20, SM7, or 421 will do just fine on the bottom. Or, if you really want to go big, a U-47 is incredible. Just don't use mine.
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Post by stormymondays on Dec 28, 2019 7:52:30 GMT -6
I always mic my Leslie in M-S from the front louvres. Oktava Mk 012 Omni for the Mid and either a Royer 101 or an Avantone CK14 ribbon for the sides. I watch out for wind and I put a pop filter for safety. It sounds stellar.
I also add a Beyerdynamic M88 or ATM25 for the rotor. Even on the high registers it really adds something, usually noticeable when you mute the mic.
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Post by drbill on Dec 28, 2019 11:03:58 GMT -6
One of my mentors - Ron Capone - (RIP Ronnie) recorded Green Onions - Booker T, Sam & Dave, Wilson Pickett, Isaac Hayes, Staples, Tower of Power, etc. all that stuff from the Stax era in Memphis. He used 77DX's from what I've been able to discern. I wanted to ask him, but unfortunately he passed before I could. Steve Cropper said Ronnie taught him how to mic a Leslie and that it was different from any other way he'd seen used. I've been trying to get info on exactly how that is ever since. I have found out that it was with RCA's though. That's as far as I've gotten.... So yeah, Leslies + Ribbons = B3 Nirvana!!
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Post by rowmat on Dec 28, 2019 16:37:35 GMT -6
On the last Leslie I recorded I used a pair of Beyer M160's with pop filters either side of the rotor section and a M88 on the bass speaker.
M160's are more robust than most typical fig 8 ribbons.
Regardless I would use a pop filter with any mic on a Leslie or you run the risk of too much air turbulence causing issues with the audio.
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Post by donr on Jan 1, 2020 11:06:23 GMT -6
I have damaged my 4038s ribbons many times. On one occasion, the exact source of trouble was not ever completely confirmed but the mics did do some Leslie duty before they crapped out. I never felt too much wind coming from the 122 but it’s possible that a day of overdubs might have stretched the ribbons. 4038s are some of my most delicate mics. I’ve taken to using 87s or 421s on Leslie out of fear of damaging my Coles. Beyer M160s may take a bit more abuse and are worth a shot. The recording engineer on our recent tracking session blew out two successive Beyer M160's on bottom snare. Actually the drummer blew them out. They take guitar cabs fine tho. |
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