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Post by ragan on Dec 20, 2019 16:52:31 GMT -6
Was implying something a little different as ocean way allows you to position the mike’s in the ambiant space? If you can defeat the ambiance in sd3 and send dry tracks to ocean way, then you could experiment with mike distance from source by the two different rooms etc. ? It's a good idea for something to try but the ambience in SD3 is gonna be more real than any emulation because it is actually the room mics. Instead of simulating what it would be like if a certain mic was in a certain spot you actually have the raw audio of the actual mics in the room with the drums. It's one of the truly great things about SD3 and why even people who don't want to use full SD3 drums will often have SD3 sample their own acoustic drum mics so they can just trigger the rooms.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2019 18:18:23 GMT -6
Fair enuff. Not slagging sd3:).
I think ocean way is real as in sampled. but then the algorithm must do a fair bit to emulate the ambiance at your desired point?
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Post by ragan on Dec 20, 2019 18:32:47 GMT -6
Fair enuff. Not slagging sd3:). I think ocean way is real as in sampled. but then the algorithm must do a fair bit to emulate the ambiance at your desired point? It’s gotta be IR stuff. It can’t be ‘sampled’ because UAD didn’t have access to whatever tracks people are going to send through it. I know some people love it, I could never make it sound good myself. Probably user error.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2019 19:57:11 GMT -6
I could be remembering incorrectly but when I say sampled my understanding is that they went into the studios and captured and or sample ambient responses and then built a model of the entire room. So, depending on how many samples they took and how sophisticated the algorithm is then arguably the plug in gives you the real environment of the room : yes, I know in theory !
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 20, 2019 21:11:24 GMT -6
I could be remembering incorrectly but when I say sampled my understanding is that they went into the studios and captured and or sample ambient responses and then built a model of the entire room. So, depending on how many samples they took and how sophisticated the algorithm is then arguably the plug in gives you the real environment of the room : yes, I know in theory ! I think we are getting confused on the interpretation of sampled. I’m with Ragan on this. Sampled is taking an actual mic’d recording of a sound source. That’s not happening with OW. They are taking your sound source and running it through their algorithm/IR or whatever. Not a sample.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 20, 2019 21:13:10 GMT -6
wiz did you quantize? I’d love to hear v2 of this mix.
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Post by ragan on Dec 20, 2019 21:28:34 GMT -6
I could be remembering incorrectly but when I say sampled my understanding is that they went into the studios and captured and or sample ambient responses and then built a model of the entire room. So, depending on how many samples they took and how sophisticated the algorithm is then arguably the plug in gives you the real environment of the room : yes, I know in theory ! You’re only incorrect in terminology. That is exactly what they do. What you’re describing is an impulse response (IR). Using samples would be if they actually recorded a reverb tail and you stuck it on your sound.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2019 22:53:27 GMT -6
Maybe:) I meant sampled in the survey methodological sense, they sampled the sonic characteristics of the room, then with that data extrapolated and use the algorithm to generate the reverb environment. There was an article about this on the ua site when it was released .
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 21, 2019 16:37:23 GMT -6
Working myself since Logic Drummer only with V Drums. Could be many things but its not mixed, hard to say if it sounds much different compared to your older work. I am surprised how many round ribbon samples Logic Drummer uses on the snare. One hit is not exactly the same as the next and it turns out good for simple drumming parts. Even if it would sound different does it break your song? IMO not a single second. Hey bud thanks for checking it out. I agree, it won't break the song. Cheers Wiz Here is another point of view. In our lives many things are made out of compromises. Making decisions is a big part of everything. You may remember my question about JJCales drum machine tracks. He did it, because he made a compromise. The simple truth is we have too many choices in 2019. Logic Drummer is artificial intelligence. It always gave my tracks interesting, fresh drumming parts. I can imagine a combination of both.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 21, 2019 18:06:38 GMT -6
Maybe I wasn’t being clear but I think the article I referred to talked about them taking recordings of the ambiant sounds in the rooms. I did statistical analysis and survey design for a while so I thought that is like sampling a population for data and then extrapolating a number representative of a larger population.
So, I thought is what the OW verb actually is reverb data points mapping the room extrapolated by the algorithm to create the entire space.
You send your signal into that to add reverb and you can position your source in the room which affects its ambient characteristics: would think that is a function of the original mapping or sampled reverb data or I don’t understand what is doing what under the plug in’s skin ?
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Post by mitchkricun on Dec 22, 2019 7:49:56 GMT -6
I’ll make a contextual comment, and ask you, was it fun and did it engage you to be musical, engineer and produce ? For a number of months, you have been describing revisiting a great deal of your previous set up and process, so you were looking for change, improvement: something different ? So, the question is expanded with do you feel like you found what you were looking for, it seems it ? Interesting question, and a pertinent one. Perhaps the most important one..... was it fun and engaging. Well, yes it was. Now some of that is cause its new, shiny.... and new and shiny always wins, at least at first. But, also I have a lot of experience with midi, samples and e drums. (going back to building my own e drum kit, and using bob clear mountain samples loading one 1M floppy at a time into a Akai S1100 sampler... 8).......) The world of e drums and software is vastly improved and far less frustrating than it was. Also, remember this is the first tune I have done like this and I am using a preset. cheers Wiz Ha, I used to use the Bob Clearmountain Samples too with an S900! Brings back memories. I’m strongly considering making the jump as well, but not being a good drummer is holding me back. Im thinking I could get a decent performance, than quantize and fill in the blanks by punching in or manually if necessary. I’m also wondering if you guys think the Roland TD1-DMK or Yamaha DTX522K would suffice? Is the more expensive kits necessary to achieve a decent performance or is it just a matter of more enjoyment? Really cool song BTW, Wiz!
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2019 8:09:38 GMT -6
I had a Yamaha kit a few years ago, mid level, just wasn’t as naturally playable as the roland. This 17 level roland gets you the enlarged snare, better HH snd 3 cymbals, money well spent I’d say.
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Post by theshea on Dec 22, 2019 13:08:49 GMT -6
nowadays if someone wants his song to sound like the ones on the radio, i don't think twice: i program midi drums with xln addictive drums. never tried superior drums. worth it?
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Post by wiz on Dec 22, 2019 15:55:28 GMT -6
Interesting question, and a pertinent one. Perhaps the most important one..... was it fun and engaging. Well, yes it was. Now some of that is cause its new, shiny.... and new and shiny always wins, at least at first. But, also I have a lot of experience with midi, samples and e drums. (going back to building my own e drum kit, and using bob clear mountain samples loading one 1M floppy at a time into a Akai S1100 sampler... 8).......) The world of e drums and software is vastly improved and far less frustrating than it was. Also, remember this is the first tune I have done like this and I am using a preset. cheers Wiz Ha, I used to use the Bob Clearmountain Samples too with an S900! Brings back memories. I’m strongly considering making the jump as well, but not being a good drummer is holding me back. Im thinking I could get a decent performance, than quantize and fill in the blanks by punching in or manually if necessary. I’m also wondering if you guys think the Roland TD1-DMK or Yamaha DTX522K would suffice? Is the more expensive kits necessary to achieve a decent performance or is it just a matter of more enjoyment? Really cool song BTW, Wiz! Hi bud thanks for listening and commenting. I used to own a cheap yamaha with all rubber pads kit. It wasn't that good to play. I also, spent time wondering about getting the way cheaper TD1DMK rather than the TD17KVX. The thing that made it for me was using a real hi hat stand, the large snare, 3 zone ride, 2 zone crash cymbals.... After spending years playing the acoustic kit, I am glad I went with the TD17. Just the physical aspect is way closer to the acoustic experience than the little cheap e kits. cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Dec 22, 2019 15:57:32 GMT -6
nowadays if someone wants his song to sound like the ones on the radio, i don't think twice: i program midi drums with xln addictive drums. never tried superior drums. worth it? I used to own Addictive drums. Superior Drums is not cheap thats for sure. IMHO, the Superior Drums 3 sound fantastic, especially compared to the original Superior Drums, which were really splatty I didn't like them much at all. Cheers Wiz
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