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Post by geoff738 on Dec 4, 2019 20:46:27 GMT -6
Ok, I figure the 1176 is ubiquitous enough that most of us have /had them or at least used one.
For me I think I use mine in a fairly stereotypical situations and settings. I got mine long after I stopped tracking drums so missed out on doing the all buttons in on rooms trick. Bass sometimes, pretty much the 4:1 ratio. But usually prefer the Daking. And vocals, pretty much the “Dr. Pepper” settings.
And that’s about it. So I’m not really using other ratios. I recall reading somewhere that Tom Waits used one on the 12:1 ratio. Or applications outside of vocals and bass really. I’m sure it is very useable for a lot of things outside of how I’m using mine.
How are you guys using yours?
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 4, 2019 20:52:25 GMT -6
Kick and Snare when tracking, after a 1073 pre (on both). Usually 4:1, attack and release set by ear but fast.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 5, 2019 0:03:44 GMT -6
My fav ratio is 20:1. It's a limiter not a compressor Just set the input so the GR meter just wiggles and dances a bit. Sounds great.
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 5, 2019 0:08:48 GMT -6
My fav ratio is 20:1. It's a limiter not a compressor Just set the input so the GR meter just wiggles and dances a bit. Sounds great. On anything in particular/ everything? I admit I need to explore it a lot more. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by ragan on Dec 5, 2019 0:56:18 GMT -6
For vocals I like 8:1, slowest attack, not quite fastest release. 5-10 dB gain reduction on peaks. This is probably heavy handed for a sparse, mellow track but for the heavily layered, dense stuff I tend to do it works wonders at pinning the vocal in the front of the image.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 5, 2019 1:02:34 GMT -6
My fav ratio is 20:1. It's a limiter not a compressor Just set the input so the GR meter just wiggles and dances a bit. Sounds great. On anything in particular/ everything? I admit I need to explore it a lot more. Cheers, Geoff On vocals sorry. On bass really depends on the bass. But I like using the 1176 on bass for distortion. By changing the release time you can get a lot of different distortion colors from it. But I like the 1176 to wiggling a bit. Bury the opto or mu comp after it with 4-10db reduction. Pretty much perfect vocals. All buttons in can be fun for effects with parallel processing.
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Post by Ward on Dec 5, 2019 7:41:55 GMT -6
12:1 on vocals but the input output attack and release are equally as important! 4:1 on bass. 20:1 on something that needs to be aggressive. 2:1 (hard to find, but you can in the clone world like the Stam ADG) on something that only needs mild control because it's having issues competing.
Rarely use 8:1 ratio
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Post by svart on Dec 5, 2019 7:53:34 GMT -6
Vocals: 4 or 8:1, fastest attack, fastest release, followed by a slower compressor like a LA2A or LA4A. The 1176 has a tendency to accentuate SSS sounds and add a bit of weird midrange if the attack is too slow while doing heavy compression. Usually doing around 6-10db of GR on peaks. I use the Rev A on vocals. It adds some noise but it also adds a neat sheen to the vocals when pushed that the later revs don't.
Snare: I changed out my attack pot to something very large like a 250K pot so I could get much slower attack which acts more like other compressors since the 1176 at it's slowest is still faster than most compressor's fastest attacks.. I hit the front end hard and it rounds the fast transient a little but creates a much larger one with the slow attack. Release is set so the needle on the VU returns to 0 by the time the next snare hit is about to strike. Usually peaking around 10-15 GR with 4:1. I use my Rev D on this.
Bass: 20:1, somewhere around fast to medium fast attack and medium fast release, burying the needle on the VU amounts of GR. Adds a grit and growl at this level of compression. Use the Rev G on this.
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Post by saltyjames on Dec 5, 2019 11:54:37 GMT -6
For vocals I like 8:1, slowest attack, not quite fastest release. 5-10 dB gain reduction on peaks. This is probably heavy handed for a sparse, mellow track but for the heavily layered, dense stuff I tend to do it works wonders at pinning the vocal in the front of the image. This. 8:1 Always sounds better on a vocal to me. Also with the slowest attack and release timed to the music.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 12:36:19 GMT -6
I like em on everything, basically. I only have 1 hardware unit (MC77), but I have the UAD too.
Vocals: track at 4:1, dr. pepper att/rel, very little GR. Mixing I like 12:1, 1:00-ish on the attack, between 3 and 5:00 release, or 4&8:1 pressed together. I also dig the 4&8:1 on the bass drum too. Saw Albini do it once in a video so I tried it. Sounds cool. Not a default though. Depends on what I'm working on.
Other stuff, I don't really have a default setting. Just roll with whatever sounds good in the moment.
15db of GR on a snare drum sounds insane to me. Once I get above 3-5 or so, it starts to sound like way too much. I usually default to the UAD blue stripe for snare.
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Post by brenta on Dec 5, 2019 12:47:49 GMT -6
Besides what’s already been mentioned I like 1176 on acoustic guitars. Typically 4:1 ratio and the fastest or closest to fastest release, attack varies on the slower side.
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 5, 2019 12:58:23 GMT -6
Besides what’s already been mentioned I like 1176 on acoustic guitars. Typically 4:1 ratio and the fastest or closest to fastest release, attack varies on the slower side. For strummy stuff? Finger style? Both? The first Steve Earle album after he came back sounds like 1176s on the acoustics compressing pretty hard to me, but I find the sound kind of hard and grating for lack of better terms. But I don’t know if it actually was 1176s. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by brenta on Dec 5, 2019 16:10:30 GMT -6
Besides what’s already been mentioned I like 1176 on acoustic guitars. Typically 4:1 ratio and the fastest or closest to fastest release, attack varies on the slower side. For strummy stuff? Finger style? Both? The first Steve Earle album after he came back sounds like 1176s on the acoustics compressing pretty hard to me, but I find the sound kind of hard and grating for lack of better terms. But I don’t know if it actually was 1176s. Cheers, Geoff Both, but in my experience the strummy stuff needs more compression more often than finger style or single note stuff. I haven’t found it to be hard and grating sounding but 1176’s are not always the best choice.
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Post by longscale on Dec 5, 2019 21:15:30 GMT -6
Not sure which album but I believe Steve Earle wanted to title one of 'em "1176". I think there is a mixonline article talking about one of his albums where they used 1176s.
I like them on acoustic - for the right sound. I too only have a hardware MC77 that I use. I like the pop I can get for finger style acoustic on something like my J200. Mostly on acoustic I use it for a hair of edge removal and a dash of excitement, and a pinch of pixy dust high end I get. For the latter sound I don't hit it hard. During tracking 4:1 slow attack, fast release. GR until I notice the sound I'm after, then back off a bit. Typically GR is just dancing not hitting anything hard - likely 3dB occasionally. I don't use the 1176 by looking at the GR; I'll only look *after* I'm on the sound I want to sort of peek at what is going on.
I do find it to be a fun play box that is worth trying on anything. Banjo, Mandolin. I like to follow it with a tube opto if I want to round off the edges.
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Post by bowie on Dec 5, 2019 21:25:36 GMT -6
Depends entirely on the situation but, on some vocals, I like the attack real wide (almost full open) and release on the short side. I found it can help give that "vocals on top of the mix" sound. For something like bass, I'll listen carefully to the part and adjust to it as things like that can vary so much.
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Post by mcirish on Dec 6, 2019 9:36:48 GMT -6
I usually use an 1176 before an opto or mu compressor for vocals. I use it to tame peaks mostly. 4:1, A 10 oclock, R fastest. I have it clamp down about 6dB on the loudest parts. For me, it really helps the second compressor not pump. I'm not a fan of pumping compressors on vocals, so this helps me.
Funny, But I don't use an 1176 on many instruments. Not sure why, but it's never given me the sound I want to hear. I tend to use VCA or Mu compression on instruments more.
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Post by Ward on Dec 7, 2019 0:04:37 GMT -6
I usually use an 1176 before an opto or mu compressor for vocals. I use it to tame peaks mostly. 4:1, A 10 oclock, R fastest. I have it clamp down about 6dB on the loudest parts. For me, it really helps the second compressor not pump. I'm not a fan of pumping compressors on vocals, so this helps me. Funny, But I don't use an 1176 on many instruments. Not sure why, but it's never given me the sound I want to hear. I tend to use VCA or Mu compression on instruments more. There’s no de facto standards for how one must use an 1176 or even if you must use one at all. I’m going to try your approach tomorrow afternoon and get back to you!
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Post by michaelcleary on Dec 7, 2019 10:16:08 GMT -6
Not sure which album but I believe Steve Earle wanted to title one of 'em "1176". I think there is a mixonline article talking about one of his albums where they used 1176s. I like them on acoustic - for the right sound. I too only have a hardware MC77 that I use. I like the pop I can get for finger style acoustic on something like my J200. Mostly on acoustic I use it for a hair of edge removal and a dash of excitement, and a pinch of pixy dust high end I get. For the latter sound I don't hit it hard. During tracking 4:1 slow attack, fast release. GR until I notice the sound I'm after, then back off a bit. Typically GR is just dancing not hitting anything hard - likely 3dB occasionally. I don't use the 1176 by looking at the GR; I'll only look *after* I'm on the sound I want to sort of peek at what is going on. I do find it to be a fun play box that is worth trying on anything. Banjo, Mandolin. I like to follow it with a tube opto if I want to round off the edges. I read an interview when Transcendental Blues was released and Steve Earle said they had like 16 1176's, basically one for every track. You can really hear them on some of the tunes.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Dec 7, 2019 12:06:39 GMT -6
Apart from the drum kit, which I prefer to record clean (you live and learn...), I always have an 1176 in the chain, set with fast'ish attack and the fastest release. It is always followed by a STA-Level(or LA-2A). the 1176 just touching the strongest transients, and the STA-Level/LA-2A constantly floating. On the STA, the mode set to single and release to 1 o'clock. . This setting is super transparent, yet brings out a lot more body.
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Post by saltyjames on Dec 7, 2019 14:51:05 GMT -6
If you, like me, are picky about keeping the transients as crisp and clear as possible there is a fair precaution to take with 76's.
If the release is set at a very fast setting it is very common for the meter to not register / show that actual amount of gain reduction, if any. They are just that fast. I guess faster than the meter to read it. Especially if they are slightly hitting a fast transient like snare or acoustic. I bet if some of you guys (after you have set up your levels) grab our release knob and turn it all the way back over to slowest release it will show you more gain reduction than you expect. I'm always surprised by this myself. It makes me go a lil more careful with 76's than I otherwise might.
I never set my attack fast. It just kills everything.. it's always at 10:00 if not at the slowest. I tell interns / assistants to set it to the working stiff setting: 7am to 5pm. Attack at 7am and Release at 5pm. haha.
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Post by audioscape on Dec 7, 2019 17:59:17 GMT -6
For most ANY source - my preferred 1176 settings are as follows:
ATTACK = SLOWEST or NOON RELEASE = FASTEST (may perhaps slow this a literal SMIDGE if using on a kick or SNR and I'm hearing too much "room" come out) RATIO = 4:1 OR 4:1 & 12:1 both pushed in together (TRY IT on VOX!)
Cheeeeeeeeeeers! As always, YMMV...!
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 9, 2019 23:17:22 GMT -6
Lots of different approaches. Cool!
Lots of stuff to try.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by shoe on Dec 10, 2019 0:16:42 GMT -6
I have a pair of Hairball 1176es that I built and modified to use vintage output transistors as well as sowter output transformers. I love them.
Anyway, I like to use them on vocals, drums, and sometimes bass as well. I will also use it purely as a limiter sometimes. Often it's in front of something slower to catch fast transients.
Some settings I like:
Snare: Attack: 1 o'clock Release: 1 o'clock Ratio: 8:1
Overheads: Attack: Fastest Release: Fastest Ratio: All Buttons In
Vocals/General Limiting: Attack: 3 o'clock Release: 3 o'clock Ratio: 20:1
Bass: Attack: 3 o'clock Release: 3 o'clock Ratio: 4:1 or 8:1
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