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Post by jamiesego on Oct 9, 2019 7:57:40 GMT -6
I feel like there are a lot of artists, studios, labels doing really good vintage style soul these days. (In my opinion of course). I think you can probably attribute a lot of that to Daptone.
Just this year the new Lee Fields, Black Pumas, and Durand Jones and the Indications records have all been fantastic.
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Post by Ward on Oct 9, 2019 8:44:10 GMT -6
The concept of this is really cool. The drum sound was really good. The vocals were missing something. Cigarette smoke.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 9, 2019 10:11:46 GMT -6
Smokey. Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 9, 2019 18:46:32 GMT -6
There is a lot of distortion on Sergio Franchi’s vocal performances as well. It never bothered me. Different genre of course. He often used a U67 too and probably had as big a voice as I do, which explains the distortion on his tracks.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 9, 2019 21:03:30 GMT -6
67s used with European preamps didn't need the output pad and weren't sold with them. (The output pad was in the power supply.) What annoyed me is that a 67 minus the optional power supply sold for same price in Europe as an EV 666. That's why a zillion of them were used over there.
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Post by donr on Oct 9, 2019 22:37:05 GMT -6
"Moneygrabber" by Fitz and the Tantrums is a nice modern tune in the Motown style.
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Post by sirthought on Oct 17, 2019 3:40:15 GMT -6
I think the Reverb band got the sound down really close. The amazing thing to me is...the singers they used are really good singers, but they didn't really match the power, clarity, and emotion of the originals...and the engineer commented on how his setup was going to emphasize vocals. That just goes to show how wonderful those singers at Motown were in my opinion.
I'm sure if he had used modern techniques and more tracks they'd have a chance to bolster the vocal sound but if this was a similar approach, tracks wise, whoa those guys had some pipes.
The other thing that comes to mind is that since they were all playing in the same room and the guitars were all going direct, how did their monitoring cabinet not mess up the recording? And why do so many guitarist I've worked with think that going direct is such a bad idea? I guess because they don't think it's "their" sound, but man, this way produced some good results.
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Post by jamiesego on Oct 17, 2019 8:27:29 GMT -6
I think the Reverb band got the sound down really close. The amazing thing to me is...the singers they used are really good singers, but they didn't really match the power, clarity, and emotion of the originals...and the engineer commented on how his setup was going to emphasize vocals. That just goes to show how wonderful those singers at Motown were in my opinion. I'm sure if he had used modern techniques and more tracks they'd have a chance to bolster the vocal sound but if this was a similar approach, tracks wise, whoa those guys had some pipes. The other thing that comes to mind is that since they were all playing in the same room and the guitars were all going direct, how did their monitoring cabinet not mess up the recording? And why do so many guitarist I've worked with think that going direct is such a bad idea? I guess because they don't think it's "their" sound, but man, this way produced some good results. I would be willing to bet the guitar bleed into the drum mics was pretty minimal and it probably added some dimension to the guitar sound. Maybe we could petition for the multi tracks. That would be interesting to me.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 17, 2019 20:04:55 GMT -6
The players in the video were all excellent, especially the bass player. I liked his sound, but I think the original Motown bass sound was grittier. Funny how good drums sound when they're not hit so hard, eh? I hate miking every single drum. I think it creates mixing nightmares. I want drums to sound like they're all in one place, not all over the stereo field, but that's just my taste.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 17, 2019 20:16:19 GMT -6
Totally agree... Chris
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Post by rowmat on Oct 17, 2019 20:46:14 GMT -6
The players in the video were all excellent, especially the bass player. I liked his sound, but I think the original Motown bass sound was grittier. Funny how good drums sound when they're not hit so hard, eh? I hate miking every single drum. I think it creates mixing nightmares. I want drums to sound like they're all in one place, not all over the stereo field, but that's just my taste. That’s as long as you have drummers who can mix themselves acoustically. I have asked a drummer who was smashing the crap out of the cymbals who he was going to blame for the unbalanced mix if I mic’d his entire kit with one mic?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 17, 2019 21:29:14 GMT -6
There’s often a surprising amount of distortion on many of these recordings. The drums being obvious on this. Yeah - I honestly had never noticed how much distortion was on the drums before. Always heard it on the vocals... That video was awesome. I agree, everything sounded a little too brite, but who cares. The arrangements of these songs are just so magical.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 17, 2019 21:31:31 GMT -6
Just ordered some flat wounds. And breaking out the kitchen sponge.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 18, 2019 22:14:25 GMT -6
Just ordered some flat wounds. And breaking out the kitchen sponge. Which ones? Jamerson LaBellas?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 19, 2019 8:04:19 GMT -6
Just ordered some flat wounds. And breaking out the kitchen sponge. Which ones? Jamerson LaBellas? Actually, I was being hyperbolic...I posted that and then went on Amazon to look and there were so many I didn’t pull the trigger. Also, I’ve only got one bass and not sure I want that on everything. But maybe I will. Those good?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 19, 2019 8:09:55 GMT -6
Just ordered some flat wounds. And breaking out the kitchen sponge. Which ones? Jamerson LaBellas? Reading about them...I wonder if they’re so big I couldn’t just plug and play? Don’t want to get into adjusting the nut.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 19, 2019 8:26:49 GMT -6
Just figure out what gauges are on your bass now and buy a set that matches up the closest. They will feel a slight bit stiffer than the rounds. I think I use a .45 - .105 set of Deep Talking Bass.
If you want something that has a looser feel try out the Thomastik strings. They are sort of crazy expensive though.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 19, 2019 11:43:22 GMT -6
Flat wounds, hyperbolic... I hope there's a cure! Chris
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 19, 2019 12:18:32 GMT -6
Just ordered some flat wounds. And breaking out the kitchen sponge. A big part of the Jamerson sound was him playing with his thumb. It really contributes a lot to that more muted sound.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 19, 2019 13:05:02 GMT -6
Just ordered some flat wounds. And breaking out the kitchen sponge. A big part of the Jamerson sound was him playing with his thumb. It really contributes a lot to that more muted sound. Thought he played with one finger?
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Post by yotonic on Oct 19, 2019 13:34:46 GMT -6
His nickname was "The Hook"
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Post by Guitar on Oct 19, 2019 13:47:34 GMT -6
Yeah I thought that was someone else also. Jamerson played a stand up bass first, so he brought that approach to the electric. Big plucks, high action.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 19, 2019 13:55:05 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 20, 2019 11:47:07 GMT -6
The players in the video were all excellent, especially the bass player. I liked his sound, but I think the original Motown bass sound was grittier. Funny how good drums sound when they're not hit so hard, eh? I hate miking every single drum. I think it creates mixing nightmares. I want drums to sound like they're all in one place, not all over the stereo field, but that's just my taste. The drum kit is an instrument.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 20, 2019 11:49:16 GMT -6
The players in the video were all excellent, especially the bass player. I liked his sound, but I think the original Motown bass sound was grittier. Funny how good drums sound when they're not hit so hard, eh? I hate miking every single drum. I think it creates mixing nightmares. I want drums to sound like they're all in one place, not all over the stereo field, but that's just my taste. That’s as long as you have drummers who can mix themselves acoustically. I have asked a drummer who was smashing the crap out of the cymbals who he was going to blame for the unbalanced mix if I mic’d his entire kit with one mic? Use drummer replacement.
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