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Post by jamiesego on Oct 5, 2019 9:23:26 GMT -6
I'm sure some of you have seen this but I figured some might find it interesting. I thought they did a great job. The performances are really great.
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 5, 2019 10:10:48 GMT -6
Good watch.
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Post by drbill on Oct 5, 2019 11:28:26 GMT -6
Love to get Bob O's take on this video.  It seems like the engineer is making a few assumptions that I'm not sure are necessarily correct. At any rate, nice video, nice recording, although I'm not sure how much it sounds like "motown". |
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Post by phantom on Oct 5, 2019 12:12:01 GMT -6
It sounds a lot like Motown. Maybe not entirely, but I don't see the point to go further, in the sense that this is already too much for recreating a specific sound.
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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 5, 2019 12:33:19 GMT -6
Just wanted to add The wolf box di made by Monkeyxx is damn close at least the same vibe .
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Post by dreamsambas on Oct 5, 2019 12:56:02 GMT -6
Just wanted to add The wolf box di made by Monkeyxx is damn close at least the same vibe . Agreed! I freaking love that thing... |
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Post by drumrec on Oct 5, 2019 14:06:56 GMT -6
Always fun to watch how they played in one room. Love that vibe and the energy, something happens to the music then. Currently building a studio at 1300 square foot and becomes a large acoustic treated live room (whole bands in one room thing). A little "back2basic" with the music. Maybe I'll rename the studio to "Leak&Rec"  Nice Video jamiesego |
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Post by jamiesego on Oct 5, 2019 14:44:04 GMT -6
It would have been really interesting to hear an original song with this same setup too. I don't think I could have gotten any closer to the sound of those records personally, and probably not as close as they got .
The vocals are a little louder and the bass is a little deeper. The whole mix seems more compressed and maybe more upper mids. The drum distortion sounds a lot like the original records. I'm guessing even with some hardware pultecs and a real J37 the end result would be pretty similar. I would love to try something like this. It seems like fun.
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Post by Ward on Oct 5, 2019 17:27:08 GMT -6
The video commentary says they rolled everything off at 70hz. I'd like to get Bob Ohllson in here to let us know if it was 50hz like the beatles, 60hz like most American music in the day or indeed 70hz. That seems like a pretty high cut-off point!
I was going to start another . . . yes, I will
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Post by stormymondays on Oct 6, 2019 4:49:41 GMT -6
Wow I need to find some time to watch this. Also, I couldn't find the actual quote, but I'm pretty sure in the "Standing In The Shadows Of Motown" movie one of the Funk Brothers says something like "people were searching for the Motown sound, was it the room? Was it the mics? No one ever thought maybe it was the musicians!". Did I dream this, or does anybody else remember a similar quote?
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 6, 2019 12:28:17 GMT -6
Wow I need to find some time to watch this. Also, I couldn't find the actual quote, but I'm pretty sure in the "Standing In The Shadows Of Motown" movie one of the Funk Brothers says something like "people were searching for the Motown sound, was it the room? Was it the mics? No one ever thought maybe it was the musicians!". Did I dream this, or does anybody else remember a similar quote? I just watched "Hit Factory" a few weeks ago, and in it Barry Gordie said something along the lines of "Everyone was trying to copy us and get the 'Motown Sound' but we never really thought our sound was that great. We were always trying to improve it". |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 6, 2019 15:57:37 GMT -6
It would have been really interesting to hear an original song with this same setup too. I don't think I could have gotten any closer to the sound of those records personally, and probably not as close as they got . The vocals are a little louder and the bass is a little deeper. The whole mix seems more compressed and maybe more upper mids. The drum distortion sounds a lot like the original records. I'm guessing even with some hardware pultecs and a real J37 the end result would be pretty similar. I would love to try something like this. It seems like fun. Great idea! If some of "us guys" wanna make a Motown-a-like recording together... I'm in for at least a BGV and or Harmony Vocal. Have to finish another fun collaborative song first (based on "Handle With Care"/Wilburys) Chris |
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Post by shoe on Oct 6, 2019 18:26:42 GMT -6
I thought the drums sounded amazing, personally. To me, the vocal distortion was great as well but I thought the mics (or maybe preamps) were a little brighter than I would have expected.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 6, 2019 20:10:36 GMT -6
You may cant recreate the feelings people had decades ago, this may has an impact as well.
For the rest..... great players... the thing was already great arranged.
I can see why the sound is facinating and IMO it has very little to do with the recording gear.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 6, 2019 20:28:48 GMT -6
The concept of this is really cool. The drum sound was really good. The vocals were missing something.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 7, 2019 5:22:12 GMT -6
Usually these kinds of videos come up really short when they get to the point of playing the song or the sound. For that reason I was really surprised and satisfied with the sound they were able to achieve.
Glad people are still liking the DWA DI boxes! Thanks for the shout out.
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Post by iamasound on Oct 8, 2019 10:45:54 GMT -6
Yea, my first thought that without the entire package; the writers writing, the players interpretations of those songs, the room and those amazing voices, that entire vibe of the sum greater than the parts, that although it might be a fun exercise gathering together these nice folks in this project, there is no way to make anyone with a critical ear believe that they are hearing period recordings. The secret sauce was that time in history that fostered the Muse which created perhaps the best western music ever had to offer in such quantity and quality...rock n roll, country and jazz included.
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Post by lpedrum on Oct 8, 2019 12:44:11 GMT -6
Glad people are still liking the DWA DI boxes! Thanks for the shout out. I missed that. You made a Motown bass DI box? I thought I read that the transformers originally used were no longer available. |
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 8, 2019 13:50:06 GMT -6
Glad people are still liking the DWA DI boxes! Thanks for the shout out. I missed that. You made a Motown bass DI box? I thought I read that the transformers originally used were no longer available. Anything's available if you look hard and long enough. Yes, the transformers are no longer manufactured. |
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Post by Guitar on Oct 8, 2019 15:41:07 GMT -6
Glad people are still liking the DWA DI boxes! Thanks for the shout out. I missed that. You made a Motown bass DI box? I thought I read that the transformers originally used were no longer available. Yes I found some Triad parts that come up for sale now and then, and I have been using them successfully. Currently I have one A65J in stock if anyone is interested in a build. The transformers are from many decades ago, and will only get scarcer rather than more common, so I can only build as many as I am able to find the special sauce parts for. The parts I use are not "identical" to the the "famous" A11J and A12J but they have a similar quoted frequency response in the Triad catalogs, a fairly typical turns/impedance ratio for a DI applications, and were made in the same USA factory. I find them to sound, subjectively, as good as anything I've ever heard. I believe in my little product. |
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Post by Chad on Oct 8, 2019 16:12:56 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 8, 2019 20:20:48 GMT -6
The studio treatment was designed by the same guy at RCA who did Studio A in Nashville, RCA-Rome, Hollywood and several others. It was hardly "primitive." What we didn't have was isolation but the location was surprisingly quiet provided nobody drove by in the Alley. The parallel vocal treatment was only used with the edge tracks of the 8-track that had no top end and hum. The vocal distortion was a U-67 with the Gotham output pad in place. When you turned on the input pad, the mike lost presence so we avoided using the input pad. There was only one track available for vocals so we went with a good performance rather than risking its loss in a retake to eliminate the distortion.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 8, 2019 20:29:55 GMT -6
There’s often a surprising amount of distortion on many of these recordings. The drums being obvious on this. |
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Post by rowmat on Oct 8, 2019 20:32:41 GMT -6
The Australian band ‘The Teskey Brothers’ probably went a little overboard with the vocal distortion on ‘Pain and Misery’ which ironically attempts to recreate the unintentional distortion of many of the 1960’s era recordings.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 8, 2019 20:35:25 GMT -6
And then there’s ‘The Meltdown’ with ‘Better Days’.
Not exactly Motown but definitely harking back to the soul era sound.
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It seems like the engineer is making a few assumptions that I'm not sure are necessarily correct. At any rate, nice video, nice recording, although I'm not sure how much it sounds like "motown".
