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Post by popmann on Sept 7, 2019 10:38:55 GMT -6
So, I did this record with a single preset I built--mostly external processing, so I just had one version with stereo outs and one broken out into subs to process on the way to audio tracks. Well, this last tune, I stumbled onto a preset I love the sound of--it's the same kit--they've just got a lot compression and an internal "crush bus"....so....I thought "cool--I'll use THAT for this tune"....but...all their presets are internally mixed stereo--and if I break it out, it loses a lot of the processing--since it's like channel processing to internal sub bus processing plus the parallel bus that is fed fro their subs....
I'm just wondering if someone knows a quick easy way in the app to break it out....otherwise, I'll just have to get all engineer-y on it....map out what they've got....figure out channel by channel how to break it out to achieve the same thing in the DAW.
I always felt like this app "wants" you to mix inside it and just spit out stereo--while I got it working, the multiple outputs being stereo despite 80% of the channels being mono mics....it just doesn't seem like they WANT you to break it out.
Certainly with none of the presets BEING broken out to multiple outs....there's some quick way to convert it?
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Post by swurveman on Sept 7, 2019 10:46:54 GMT -6
Can't you assign outputs inside SD for the channels and Sub Groups and the then output those channels and subs to your DAW? Nothing should change about their presets and the channel/sub sounds they produce.
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Post by popmann on Sept 7, 2019 12:45:18 GMT -6
I can assign the internal subs to outputs. Doesn't result in the same sound for the following factors:
1- the subs have to be recorded (in the DAW as audio) at the same level their fader is, because when you change the internal sub's fader level to record proper levels, it messes up their sends into their internal parallel bus.
2- There's a LOT (by DB) of master bus processing in the preset, all of which is lost when you break it out.
So, they're not doing anything special. It's just a lot of work to recreate in the DAW. My guiding principle with this one man band project is "as many shortcuts as tech allows". Polling here to see if long time SD user have run into this...certainly they have ? Unless they all just use the stereo outs and mix the drums inside SD.
Lesson learned--never use a preset in SD as a placeholder.
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Post by popmann on Sept 7, 2019 20:42:18 GMT -6
I recreated it with 96khz analog modeling DSP. Whole top octave was uncovered. Man, what forensic nightmare with al the internal routing. I ended up leaving most of their single mic level processing and subbing a few less than usual out to the DAW--just recreating their subs and then group precessing in the DAW. So....three kick mics--all got their whatever parametric EQ was there--but, then I turned off their kick sub's processing and put it out in the DAW--along with the VCC I always put on the SD3 outputs to extend the high end.
FWIW. I was just thinking with so many SD users here....that there MUST be a way to easily convert them since ALL their presets are stereo....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 8, 2019 10:24:02 GMT -6
I just surrendered and use their stereo out most of the time. I don't use the effects in their mixer, but I do change levels there occasionally. I never got too deep into SD, sorry I can't be of more help.
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Post by shoe on Sept 10, 2019 19:38:59 GMT -6
You can output the individual mics under the advanced bounce menu but your midi all has to be imported into SD as well.
However, I don't think what you're wanting actually makes sense, unfortunately. How can you output individual mics AND retain the effect of them all being run through a bus processor together? They would never sound the same. Or are you trying to re-create their bus processing in analog or something?
Maybe I am just not understanding correctly.
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Post by popmann on Sept 10, 2019 20:02:42 GMT -6
You're right. It's not doable the way they make presets with aggressive cascaded DSP. Channel DSP to sub bus DSP sent to ANOTHER sub "crush buss" and then 15 DB of master bus processing.
I was just confused how such a popular app is designed so that bank after bank of presets are only available in stereo. But, that must be how people use it.
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Post by soundintheround on Sept 10, 2019 23:34:34 GMT -6
I tried reading what it is your trying to do, but not sure I understand.
But when I used superior drummer i used multiple outputs (not stereo). Usually grouped the kicks, snares, toms, hat, oh. I usually muted room and the additional channels.
The way to accomplish this is different for every DAW.
I never used presets but create my own sounds/mix.
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