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Post by indiehouse on Sept 3, 2019 11:53:19 GMT -6
I have a shitty sounding, but fairly dead, room. But I have a Bricasti for adding some better sounding room ambience. However, I’d like to use the Bricasti for other reverb duties. How would you go about printing reverb? I have a ton of acoustic guitar tracks. Would you print each tracks reverb send individually? Would you print a single stereo track with all sends playing together?
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 3, 2019 11:59:15 GMT -6
I'd do all at the same time as it'll be less work but also the sounds will be blended in the reverb as it should be instead of 2-10 different rooms trying to blend together without actually blending.
If that makes sense.
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Post by svart on Sept 3, 2019 12:01:34 GMT -6
I have a shitty sounding, but fairly dead, room. But I have a Bricasti for adding some better sounding room ambience. However, I’d like to use the Bricasti for other reverb duties. How would you go about printing reverb? I have a ton of acoustic guitar tracks. Would you print each tracks reverb send individually? Would you print a single stereo track with all sends playing together? I'd do the stereo track with all the sends together and treat it like a stem. I'm sure you bus everything as a send to the reverb, so why not treat the return as a bussed track? Also, unless necessary, I'd only track the wet signal back, that way you can still modify the overall wetness after the fact. |
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Post by shoe on Sept 3, 2019 20:39:26 GMT -6
It depends on the effect you want to go for. If you are looking for room tone to give some cohesion to the mix, you could run the whole 2 bus through it and print just the wet signal back, and blend to taste (possibly excluding the bass).
If you want to use it as an actual effect, though, or if you have content that is not going to all work well with the same reverb settings, you could do it as different submixes or individual tracks.
I do this a lot with tape echo and reverb, myself, but I am generally doing it as a single instrument effect. Sometimes I go ahead and print it with the wet/dry mix itself in that case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 23:49:12 GMT -6
i usually print the whole stem through my mixer leaving the automation in protools
and not having old digital or spring gear turned on for extra hours/days. |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 4, 2019 4:23:28 GMT -6
Would you consider printing the dry track through the Bricasti (using its internal wet/dry mix) for a baked-in room tone, much the same as I would get if I actually tracked in a nice room?
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 4, 2019 5:36:09 GMT -6
Would you consider printing the dry track through the Bricasti (using its internal wet/dry mix) for a baked-in room tone, much the same as I would get if I actually tracked in a nice room? I don't see any advantage vs doing that for all tracks with a send and printing the return. That would be like having a stereo "room" mic, and you can blend it to taste. |
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Post by gouge on Sept 4, 2019 5:51:09 GMT -6
I prefer individual tracks as then I can muck around with the printed track and still adjust the mix.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:51:54 GMT -6
...if I were you, I'd use plugins for everything else and keep the bricasti "live".
Printing reverb on channels? No. Printing reverb buss stem? Only if you're done working on the mix and are printing general stems.
I don't think the small benefit of your favorite reverb is worth having to alter your workflow that way.
I'd print busses if I had to...I don't use reverb on acoustic guitars usually though.
The Valhalla verbs kick ass.
Not sure if that was helpful...just chiming-in.
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Post by shoe on Sept 4, 2019 18:43:25 GMT -6
...if I were you, I'd use plugins for everything else and keep the bricasti "live". Printing reverb on channels? No. Printing reverb buss stem? Only if you're done working on the mix and are printing general stems. I don't think the small benefit of your favorite reverb is worth having to alter your workflow that way. I'd print busses if I had to...I don't use reverb on acoustic guitars usually though. The Valhalla verbs kick ass. Not sure if that was helpful...just chiming-in. Well, I mean...if I had a Bricasti...I'd definitely be using it instead of plugins lol. |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 4, 2019 19:03:26 GMT -6
...if I were you, I'd use plugins for everything else and keep the bricasti "live". Printing reverb on channels? No. Printing reverb buss stem? Only if you're done working on the mix and are printing general stems. I don't think the small benefit of your favorite reverb is worth having to alter your workflow that way. I'd print busses if I had to...I don't use reverb on acoustic guitars usually though. The Valhalla verbs kick ass. Not sure if that was helpful...just chiming-in. Yeah, but that’s a $3000 single instance room reverb. Surely I can get more bang out of it than one use? |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 4, 2019 19:20:19 GMT -6
...if I were you, I'd use plugins for everything else and keep the bricasti "live". Printing reverb on channels? No. Printing reverb buss stem? Only if you're done working on the mix and are printing general stems. I don't think the small benefit of your favorite reverb is worth having to alter your workflow that way. I'd print busses if I had to...I don't use reverb on acoustic guitars usually though. The Valhalla verbs kick ass. Not sure if that was helpful...just chiming-in. Yeah, but that’s a $3000 single instance room reverb. Surely I can get more bang out of it than one use? Well, it’s tough to guesstimate what will work well for someone else. It’s so situational with mixing. In terms of drums, I usually only use verb on snare, and that’s something I’m moving away from, actually. Sometimes it’s nice on toms if they need a little bit “extra.” Granted, these verbs are just a hair above buried in the mix. Vocal verb could get printed, but I’d need to feel pretty good about my fader moves, or maybe group the printed verb with the vocal so the automation serves both? I’ve definitely printed bricasti and 224 sounds back to pro tools, I’d have to look and see if I did anything like that at mix. I don’t think I really use verb too many other places. I guess I’m in a dry spell. PS, I’d only ever print back 100% wet, fwiw. |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 4, 2019 19:52:48 GMT -6
Yeah, but that’s a $3000 single instance room reverb. Surely I can get more bang out of it than one use? Well, it’s tough to guesstimate what will work well for someone else. It’s so situational with mixing. In terms of drums, I usually only use verb on snare, and that’s something I’m moving away from, actually. Sometimes it’s nice on toms if they need a little bit “extra.” Granted, these verbs are just a hair above buried in the mix. Vocal verb could get printed, but I’d need to feel pretty good about my fader moves, or maybe group the printed verb with the vocal so the automation serves both? I’ve definitely printed bricasti and 224 sounds back to pro tools, I’d have to look and see if I did anything like that at mix. I don’t think I really use verb too many other places. I guess I’m in a dry spell. PS, I’d only ever print back 100% wet, fwiw. I’d print 100% wet as well. And at this stage, I’m just talking a hint of room ambience to give the acoustic guitars a sense of space, since they were tracked in my dead, crappy room. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 21:06:05 GMT -6
...if I were you, I'd use plugins for everything else and keep the bricasti "live". Printing reverb on channels? No. Printing reverb buss stem? Only if you're done working on the mix and are printing general stems. I don't think the small benefit of your favorite reverb is worth having to alter your workflow that way. I'd print busses if I had to...I don't use reverb on acoustic guitars usually though. The Valhalla verbs kick ass. Not sure if that was helpful...just chiming-in. Yeah, but that’s a $3000 single instance room reverb. Surely I can get more bang out of it than one use? Good point. I've had really expensive gear and felt like I "ought" to use it because I invested so much $ and thought into it. My Chandler Zener was almost 5k. I spent so much on it that I though I ought to use it on everything. I'd have clients ask me to "run it thru the Zener in mastering because it was at the time my most expensive unit - but it usually wasn't appropriate. I just think the workflow would be so much of pain. Recalls? Plus, you can't hear everything together and mix it together "live" on the fly. If it's your own stuff no prob but for a hired gig? The above poster that said print 100% wet - prob the best way if you're just loving that Bricasti. Everybody mixes different. I'd dig hearing that reverb when you finish mixing. Cheers! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 21:14:23 GMT -6
Yeah, but that’s a $3000 single instance room reverb. Surely I can get more bang out of it than one use? Well, it’s tough to guesstimate what will work well for someone else. It’s so situational with mixing. In terms of drums, I usually only use verb on snare, and that’s something I’m moving away from, actually. Sometimes it’s nice on toms if they need a little bit “extra.” Granted, these verbs are just a hair above buried in the mix. Vocal verb could get printed, but I’d need to feel pretty good about my fader moves, or maybe group the printed verb with the vocal so the automation serves both? I’ve definitely printed bricasti and 224 sounds back to pro tools, I’d have to look and see if I did anything like that at mix. I don’t think I really use verb too many other places. I guess I’m in a dry spell. PS, I’d only ever print back 100% wet, fwiw. Good points. One more thought...I mix with less reverb usually in studio but more working FOH. I like more vocal plate live for some reason. |
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Post by wiz on Sept 5, 2019 19:10:49 GMT -6
With my Bricasti... I set it up on a Aux.
Everything gets sent to it, some things less than others eg Bass, but even it gets a little.
This puts everything in the same space.
Then I use plate reverb to give things depthishness.... 8)
Sometimes, rarely, I will print the Bricasti on something like a lead guitar.... Like in this song off the last album... go to 2:48
Before the Bricasti I would use Convolution reverbs to do the same thing.
I had three Aux's set up.
One had something like the 480L wooden room IR instantiated (everything went to this to put them all in the same virtual room)
One had a Plate Reverb (this gave depth)
One had a Hall Reverb (this gave height)
I would balance all three of those
The Bricasti works so well for me, I literally only turn it on when doing the final mix, I just leave everything dry till then.
Cheers
Wiz
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