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Post by mrholmes on Aug 23, 2019 4:10:41 GMT -6
RGOs.
I need advice.
I am about to sell my hardware verbs:
A few Alesis Midiverbs (which sound odd, but they have a vibe no other unit gives you).
Two great Yamahas 500 they are very close to the Lexicons.
As well as one PCM 90.
Yes I did ABing plug ins versus hardware verbs and came to the conclusion that they are both great.
Now I sit here switch on the old units for checking before posting on e-bay and I doubt my decision to sell them. My gut instinct yells "don't do it" my belly grumbles loud....
Is it stupid to use hardware verbs anymore???
1. Maybe plug ins and hardware are to close to call in 2019.
2. The HW verbs have a vibe most of the other guys don't use anymore. If I have jobs in real studios I almost never see the old hardware verbs switched on. Times are changing?
3. Damn it the Yamaha 500 has some lush big halls no plug in delivers me. But I am often too lazy to fire it up in mix mode....
4. I forgot to mention the modulation department of the Midiverb III.
It sounds big wide open, warm and lush, I never heard such a big modulation in software land.
I hate it to be in doubt.
Cheers Andreas
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Post by svart on Aug 23, 2019 4:47:28 GMT -6
So, you haven't turned them on in a while, so that means you haven't used them in a while..
I go through the same dilemmas occasionally, but the reality is that if you aren't always using them, they must not be that important and must not be offering something that you can't live without.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 23, 2019 6:19:21 GMT -6
It's a tough call, in that I find there are many things I have that are seldom used, but have all saved a project at some point. I did eventually let all the digital boxes go, kept a Space Echo and both my plates.
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Post by sean on Aug 23, 2019 6:41:47 GMT -6
I have a bunch of hardware units I rarely use but I’m trying to change that by putting together a nice patch bay layout.
And honestly, you aren’t going to get much for them. MidiVerbs sell for $25. I paid $8 for mine.
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Post by keymod on Aug 23, 2019 9:48:50 GMT -6
Love and use my Kurzweil KSP8 all the time
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 23, 2019 20:38:36 GMT -6
I use my Bricasti and my H3500 to no end. In thebox plugs just doesn’t do it for me. Ever since I went in the box I have searched for a better solution. I’m hybrid with SSL. The only true way to be happy. Many analog stages with analog plugins routed to an fx buss, is the answer for me.
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 23, 2019 22:05:15 GMT -6
I love hardware reverbs. I'd keep them at least for a bit and try and find a new way to use them.
Software stuff works but never quite totally gets there for me..
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Post by thirdeye on Aug 24, 2019 4:46:58 GMT -6
I use both, but mainly hardware reverbs/fx here. I have (8) units setup as hardware inserts in Pro Tools on dedicated i/o. Good hardware is very much worth the effort in my opinion.
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Post by soundintheround on Aug 25, 2019 18:59:53 GMT -6
No it is not stupid to use Hardware Reverbs.
Be careful of the A/B and convincing yourself plugins are the same. I feel like hardware units react differently to different sources whereas software is much more static and always sounding the same. Plugins can be overall less interesting and dynamic.
I can solve your MIDIVERB problem, bring a turkey sandwich to work for the next 2 days. Now you can keep your MIDIVERB.
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Post by trakworxmastering on Aug 25, 2019 20:57:15 GMT -6
"My gut instinct yells "don't do it" "
Trust your gut instinct.
Every time I have ever sold something that part of me wanted to keep I have regretted it. Every time.
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Post by ragan on Aug 25, 2019 21:34:18 GMT -6
This thread and a couple others have inspired me to pick up a couple cheap hardware reverbs. First is the good ol’ Quadraverb. Largely out of nostalgia but it’s slathered all over old 4-track cassette recordings of mine and I kinda like the character.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 26, 2019 1:19:27 GMT -6
This thread and a couple others have inspired me to pick up a couple cheap hardware reverbs. First is the good ol’ Quadraverb. Largely out of nostalgia but it’s slathered all over old 4-track cassette recordings of mine and I kinda like the character. The MVs are interesting tools.They can sound bad but often they are Magic. Inxs used them a lot. Love them on guitars. |
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Post by Cyrus Melchor on Aug 26, 2019 1:47:45 GMT -6
bring a turkey sandwich to work for the next 2 days Holysmokes thank you for giving me a new excuse for basically everything! |
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Post by Cyrus Melchor on Aug 26, 2019 1:55:16 GMT -6
BTW my unspoken (until now) rule of thumb is - if there's a question and it's digital, let it go.
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Post by soundintheround on Aug 26, 2019 7:58:31 GMT -6
bring a turkey sandwich to work for the next 2 days Holysmokes thank you for giving me a new excuse for basically everything! Same principal applies.....but going to be quite a few more turkey sandwiches for a vintage U47 than the midiverb  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 10:02:53 GMT -6
I had a PCM60 on loan for many years. The owner just didn't need it. He ended up selling it a couple years ago and I really miss it. I know it is probably not the best, but I loved the simplicity. Less time experimenting, more time mixing. Never had a problem getting what I wanted out of it in spite of the lack of options, and the side chain was cool to have. At the time, it was basically that or the protools stock reverb for me. Even though I now have the UAD EMT140 and the Valhalla Room, I would still use the PCM60 if I had it. Those plugins are great, but for some reason, I struggle so much more to get the sound I want. I'm going to wager part of that is purely psychological.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 27, 2019 15:10:04 GMT -6
I had a PCM60 on loan for many years. The owner just didn't need it. He ended up selling it a couple years ago and I really miss it. I know it is probably not the best, but I loved the simplicity. Less time experimenting, more time mixing. Never had a problem getting what I wanted out of it in spite of the lack of options, and the side chain was cool to have. At the time, it was basically that or the protools stock reverb for me. Even though I now have the UAD EMT140 and the Valhalla Room, I would still use the PCM60 if I had it. Those plugins are great, but for some reason, I struggle so much more to get the sound I want. I'm going to wager part of that is purely psychological.
The MVs have lesser Options as well and can sound great...
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Post by soundintheround on Aug 28, 2019 8:53:45 GMT -6
No need to explain the midiverb. I love my midiverb 2. Instant 80’s vibes for reverbs and has some cool chorus and flanges too. If only all gear could be easily gotten for 30$. Once in a while I’ll mess with the gated verb stuff.
Hold on to the verbs. Still regret selling my AKG BX-10....Eventide H3000 was cool too but miss it less.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 3, 2019 4:44:55 GMT -6
No it is not stupid to use Hardware Reverbs. Be careful of the A/B and convincing yourself plugins are the same. I feel like hardware units react differently to different sources whereas software is much more static and always sounding the same. Plugins can be overall less interesting and dynamic. I can solve your MIDIVERB problem, bring a turkey sandwich to work for the next 2 days. Now you can keep your MIDIVERB.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Step by step I used the HW units more and more. You are right with some sources they just sit better in the mix.
They have more depth more dimension, they also glue more together with the signal. To be fair on some sources the plug ins do the trick.
But you point with the dynamics is very valid. Had DI acoustic and that always sounds not so great, but when the room is tight to the source its more pleasing to listen to it.
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Post by sean on Sept 3, 2019 8:58:32 GMT -6
I got a SPX2000 for a $100 recently and it has a lot of the classic SPX90 patches (Early Reflection 1 & 2, Pitch Change C, Symphonic) but it is dead quiet. Been using it on a record I’m mixing this week...sneaking Pitch Change C just to where it can’t really be heard but adds width to the vocal, and occasionally E/R 1 to “stereoize” mono tracks and put some room around them.
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Post by yotonic on Sept 4, 2019 0:04:13 GMT -6
I got a SPX2000 for a $100 recently and it has a lot of the classic SPX90 patches You got it for $100? Aren't these new and retailing for $1200? |
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