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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 16, 2019 18:30:50 GMT -6
Upon using the Royer a bit, I decided I needed another flavor of ribbon. All are fig 8 so far, so why not hypercardioid?
So just as I asked about the Royer....what do I do with it (the M160)? |
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Post by bradd on Aug 16, 2019 19:54:20 GMT -6
Guitar amps, overheads and even acoustic guitars are some of my favorite applications.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 16, 2019 20:15:12 GMT -6
Congratulations! I love my 160, wish I had another.
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 16, 2019 21:02:38 GMT -6
Hell yes. This will be great!
Much like my Coles, I am sure I will need another.
I will report back Monday ish.
I like what I've heard on guitar amps and overheads.
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Post by jamiesego on Aug 16, 2019 23:46:41 GMT -6
An M160 and cloudlifter was my first "nice" mic setup. I remember using it on a fingerpicked acoustic and thinking "that actually sounds like a record". I ended up getting another one. I used them yesterday on overheads. It's great for minimizing bleed or bad room sound. I used one a while back on a piano with drums also tracking live. It sounded nice and full on piano and while it didn't completely minimize the drum bleed the sound that did bleed through was great. Not harsh at all. It's also fun to tell people that it was the mic used on Zeppelin and Hendrix records even if that is a Portlandia sketch now  You can also hear it on vocals on Sturgill Simpson's records I believe. |
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Post by din on Aug 17, 2019 7:39:07 GMT -6
+1 guitar amps & overheads
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 17, 2019 7:59:03 GMT -6
I got a pair for use as drum OH and guitar amps. Now they live on Toms for the most part. They can be useful for acoustic and mando if that’s the sound you’re after.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 17, 2019 8:02:59 GMT -6
+1 guitar amps & overheads +2. Also has worked well on banjo, fiddle, really bullhorn-y male vocal, thin sibilant female vocal. Mine lives on OH if there's drums involved. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 8:04:07 GMT -6
Love them. OH's, electric guitar, acoustic guitar (any string instrument really), room mics, horns... The off-axis rejection is great, so it also makes for a good spot mic for HH or ride cymbal. I don't do that often, but when I need to, it's my go-to.
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Post by Tbone81 on Aug 17, 2019 10:59:18 GMT -6
I never liked the one I had on electric guitars, just not my sound. It did sound great on acoustic, it was kind of a light bulb of “aha, so that’s how you get THAT sound”. Never had a chance to use it on drums.
I found the m160 to be the lowest output ribbon I had ever used. And actually I suspect something may have been wrong with mine. I didn’t have a cloud lifter but using it with a normal high gain pre (Capi vp28) always brought up way too much noise and this weird high pitched ringing. It happened with every pre amp I tried. I sold it rather than figure it out. This thread is making me kind of nostalgic for one. I should probably try one again.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 17, 2019 11:23:39 GMT -6
Phil Ramone used the M160 for Billy Joel's vocals, on "The Stranger" album...
Chris
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Post by svart on Aug 17, 2019 11:29:44 GMT -6
Tried one years ago. Ended up buying the r121 instead.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 17, 2019 12:11:58 GMT -6
I never liked the one I had on electric guitars, just not my sound. It did sound great on acoustic, it was kind of a light bulb of “aha, so that’s how you get THAT sound”. Never had a chance to use it on drums. I found the m160 to be the lowest output ribbon I had ever used. And actually I suspect something may have been wrong with mine. I didn’t have a cloud lifter but using it with a normal high gain pre (Capi vp28) always brought up way too much noise and this weird high pitched ringing. It happened with every pre amp I tried. I sold it rather than figure it out. This thread is making me kind of nostalgic for one. I should probably try one again. Sounds like something may have been wrong with it.
When buying used it's important to be certain that the mic has not been re-ribboned outside the factory, as the ribbon design is quite different from a normal ribbon. Instead of the transverse corrugations found in the usual ribbon design the 160 has two short areas of transverse corrugation on the ends separated by a longer section where the corrugations run parallel to the edges. This gives a ribbon with a stiff, fairly inflexible center section with flexible compliance at the ends, producing a ribbon with a "piston-like" behavior. The stock ribbon is unavailable outside the factory.
I got turned on to the Beyer line when I worked for Bill Graham's FM Productions in the late '70s - they liked the Beyers so much that we became a dealer, just for in-house use. We had the full line of Beyer ribbons that were available back then, which included models that are no longer available, the 260 and 500, as well as the M69, M88, and M201 dynamics.
I've been a fan ever since.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 17, 2019 12:24:45 GMT -6
Tried one years ago. Ended up buying the r121 instead. I've always been a bit leery of the Royers, although I recognize their popularity. It just doesn't seem right to me that a figure 8 mic should not have symmetrical response - I don't want the ambient pickup to have a different tonality than the front.
David Royer came up with the idea by accident when he was working on an updated reproduction of the old B&O mics. He accidentally misaligned the ribbon in the gap and then noticed that the frequency response was different for the two sides. He was NOT the first person to observe this, but he had the idea that it could be a unique feature, marketing-wise, rather than a defect. I guess he was right, but it still rubs me the wrong way.
I don't want "two mics in one." I want one mic that behaves in a consistent manner.
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Post by svart on Aug 17, 2019 14:27:37 GMT -6
Tried one years ago. Ended up buying the r121 instead. I've always been a bit leery of the Royers, although I recognize their popularity. It just doesn't seem right to me that a figure 8 mic should not have symmetrical response - I don't want the ambient pickup to have a different tonality than the front.
David Royer came up with the idea by accident when he was working on an updated reproduction of the old B&O mics. He accidentally misaligned the ribbon in the gap and then noticed that the frequency response was different for the two sides. He was NOT the first person to observe this, but he had the idea that it could be a unique feature, marketing-wise, rather than a defect. I guess he was right, but it still rubs me the wrong way.
I don't want "two mics in one." I want one mic that behaves in a consistent manner.
Ok. I bought it liking the fact it has more than one voice. I bought it for what it does for me, not for how I think it should be. |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 17, 2019 14:35:34 GMT -6
I've always been a bit leery of the Royers, although I recognize their popularity. It just doesn't seem right to me that a figure 8 mic should not have symmetrical response - I don't want the ambient pickup to have a different tonality than the front.
David Royer came up with the idea by accident when he was working on an updated reproduction of the old B&O mics. He accidentally misaligned the ribbon in the gap and then noticed that the frequency response was different for the two sides. He was NOT the first person to observe this, but he had the idea that it could be a unique feature, marketing-wise, rather than a defect. I guess he was right, but it still rubs me the wrong way.
I don't want "two mics in one." I want one mic that behaves in a consistent manner.
Ok. I bought it liking the fact it has more than one voice. I bought it for what it does for me, not for how I think it should be. I never said you shouldn't. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 17, 2019 15:16:23 GMT -6
Sounds like a good Country song title!  Chris |
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Post by nick8801 on Aug 17, 2019 22:30:47 GMT -6
Love mine as a mono drum overhead. It’s also a killer guitar amp mic. It actually works really well on some vocals too. I believe Eric Valentine uses it in unique placements to get his one mic drum sound. It is rather low output, but with the right preamp, man it really has a sound.
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Post by shoe on Aug 18, 2019 16:57:40 GMT -6
What kind of mic distance do people use on guitar cabs with this one?
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 18, 2019 20:26:27 GMT -6
What kind of mic distance do people use on guitar cabs with this one? Couple of inches to about a foot, give or take a smidge. |
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Post by Gustav on Aug 20, 2019 2:54:26 GMT -6
I always recommend this mic for people recording drums in sub-optimal conditions.
Such a great mic.
Gustav
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 23, 2019 13:13:53 GMT -6
Here is some RnB-ish kind of sounds with the Beyer.
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Post by woofhead on Aug 23, 2019 22:09:39 GMT -6
I always recommend this mic for people recording drums in sub-optimal conditions. Such a great mic. Gustav Yeah I used to have a drum room with barely 7 foot ceilings and when I got a pair the drum sounds I was getting improved greatly over the condensor pairs I had.Love it on sax as well.Recently tried it with a weight tank wt 72 just to test and its great! |
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