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Post by NoTomorrow on Jul 29, 2019 20:13:55 GMT -6
I decided to move this to it's own thread so as not to muck up Martin's 67 capsule thread. This is a comparison of 2 different tubes in my Stam67 with Heiserman Capsule. The tubes are a Philips EF86 and a Telefunken EF86. To me they sound quite different and I'd like to hear what you guys think. One audio file for each tube - both 24bit, 44.1. Each audio file starts with spoken word, then vocal over music, then just vocal with reverb cut in/out at different spots. You'll see the gap in the waveform where the 3 examples are separated. Chain for spoken word is just Mic > CAPI VP28 (2520,1731) > Apollo > Pro Tools. No compression. Chain for sung vocal is Mic > CAPI VP28 > Serpent SA76 (blue stripe mode) > Apollo > Pro Tools. Compression was just 2:1 to protect the converters. It wasn't doing much. Name of the tube in filename in upper left. The Telefunken vocal is pitchier than the Philips, but cut me some slack..... I was running out of time. LINK TO FILES ON DROPBOX BELOW:www.dropbox.com/s/e3qbtmpcfcotzg0/1aud-Stam67-PHILIPS-TUBE.wav?dl=0www.dropbox.com/s/ozz6hrl0muyp69x/1aud-Stam67-TeleFunk%20TUBE.wav?dl=0Read more about Stam Capsules here: realgearonline.com/thread/10233/stam-heiserman-capsule-campbell-prototype?page=5#ixzz5v7gZ2fg1 |
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Post by chessparov on Jul 29, 2019 21:01:12 GMT -6
Thanks so much NT.
Will listen pretty soon..
Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 31, 2019 9:10:14 GMT -6
I kind of like the Phillips tube on the singing vocal, especially in the mix. The telefunken has something in the highs that I'm not a fan of and would probably try to fix with a preamp choice or eq. Mic sounds good. |
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Post by NoTomorrow on Jul 31, 2019 16:28:58 GMT -6
I kind of like the Phillips tube on the singing vocal, especially in the mix. The telefunken has something in the highs that I'm not a fan of and would probably try to fix with a preamp choice or eq. Mic sounds good. I agree with you Vincent.... I like the fuller sound of the Philips on the singing. On the spoken word I like the Telefunken.... a little more defined. I agree.... the mic sounds very good to me. |
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Post by chessparov on Jul 31, 2019 20:30:44 GMT -6
Funny, this is a very rare occasion (first one I think), where I differ with Vincent. I preferred the T-Funk. Sounded more "like a record" to me.
I agree that the 67 style microphone is (very) good for your excellent speaking/singing voice though.
Chris
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Post by chessparov on Jul 31, 2019 20:56:44 GMT -6
Just wanted to add (again), there's a LOT of strong singers here, at RGO!  Chris |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 31, 2019 21:48:53 GMT -6
Funny, this is a very rare occasion (first one I think), where I differ with Vincent. I preferred the T-Funk. Sounded more "like a record" to me. I agree that the 67 style microphone is (very) good for your excellent speaking/singing voice though. Chris This is why Martin's thread has gotten a little crazy.  We all have varying ideas of what the 67 should sound like. |
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Post by NoTomorrow on Jul 31, 2019 22:04:06 GMT -6
Funny, this is a very rare occasion (first one I think), where I differ with Vincent. I preferred the T-Funk. Sounded more "like a record" to me. I agree that the 67 style microphone is (very) good for your excellent speaking/singing voice though. Chris Hey thanks Chessparov... appreciate that dude I think the preferences might be split down the middle. I had a few friends weigh in and 2 of them liked the Tfunk and 2 of them the Philips. It really is a non-trivial difference between the tubes. I have a Valvo EF86 also.... and it is kind of right in between the others. I'm keeping all of the tubes! |
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Post by chessparov on Jul 31, 2019 22:24:58 GMT -6
Sure thing! Good for you, on keeping the tube options open too. I did really enjoy your singing, you've got that "storyteller" vibe down naturally. Chris |
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 1, 2019 14:59:18 GMT -6
This is after like 5mins of listening, so a pretty unfair amount of time to the tubes... I like the Philips better on both sung and spoken word. To me, the Telefunken has that top end that I fear will be too much. The T-funk is a bit more exciting, but the esses jump out at me more, too. I put up a quick Metric Halo MIO Strip on the Philips to see if I could open up the top end, and yes, it took the EQ quite well. I did a hi shelf at 10k and then I also gave it a little tiny bump at 250Hz, which gave it a nice, slightly chesty-ier sound. Sounds really good, NoTomorrow ! Thanks so much for doing this! |
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Post by NoTomorrow on Aug 1, 2019 17:00:18 GMT -6
Hey thanks Mark!.... glad it was useful to you guys.
I'm gonna try some EQing like you did.
Thing is, my AML 1073EQ just showed up at the door.... so I might need to do some more recording instead of mixing tonight!
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Post by Ward on Aug 2, 2019 8:11:13 GMT -6
Funny, this is a very rare occasion (first one I think), where I differ with Vincent. I preferred the T-Funk. Sounded more "like a record" to me. I agree that the 67 style microphone is (very) good for your excellent speaking/singing voice though. Chris Me too. Not by much, however. Just slight preference. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 2, 2019 15:11:13 GMT -6
Hey thanks Mark!.... glad it was useful to you guys. I'm gonna try some EQing like you did. Thing is, my AML 1073EQ just showed up at the door.... so I might need to do some more recording instead of mixing tonight! It'd be cool to see what the Neve hi shelf sounds like on the Philips. Probably would be a nice combo. |
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Post by NoTomorrow on Aug 3, 2019 12:51:26 GMT -6
Yea Mark... I'll get a chance to really work that AML EQ with the Stam67 today.
One thing already on my limited tests with the AML.... I was almost ready to sell my vintage U87 because I wasn't crazy about it through any of my CAPI pres... VP312, VP28, VP28 Platinum. But I'm glad I didn't because this 1073 wth the EQ button 'in' is a great match for it. Smooths it out in all of the right places.
I used the U87 > AML > Kt-2A > Serp SA-76 and got the best sound I've ever gotten out of the 87- instantly usable, no mud, no pinch at 3k, no sibilance. Diggin it!
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We all have varying ideas of what the 67 should sound like. 
