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Post by mike on Jun 16, 2019 23:24:33 GMT -6
Sennheiser HD 600 or 650 headphones? I’ve kind of narrowed my search to these 2 headphones. Looking at the graphs and hearing projected samples through sonar works it seems like the 650’s may be less fatiguing over long stretch’s and a little more fun to listen too. But I wonder If I wouldn’t come to mixes that translate quicker with the 600’s since they both have the same slight db or two bump in the bottom while only the 600's also do in the highs,…where as the 650’s are pretty flat in the highs which makes me think that I may come to quicker mixes that translate with the 600's being slightly brighter, because they may let me hear detail without being tempted to inject any treble boost to my mix. Thanks in advance for your thoughts?
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Post by hadaja on Jun 16, 2019 23:46:38 GMT -6
MassDrop do a HD650 for a good price.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 23:53:10 GMT -6
For best translation, I'd definitely go with the 600s. The 600s are flatter, and I just preferred them overall, when I did a shootout at Sennheiser's Tokyo store about a decade ago. Been happy with them ever since. The 650s sounded slightly more congested in the lower mids. Only mods I've done on the 600s were to change the cable to the HD650 cable (it's apparently better quality copper, thicker, and comes with a 1/4 inch jack as opposed to an 1/8 inch jack as standard), and removing the two pieces of foam from each side (Google "HD600 foam mod"). They sound incredible, I love them. I'd be looking at spending 3-4 times as much for a decent improvement, I think, maybe the 800s or the Focal Clears or something. I also have a custom EQ curve for them, with TDR SLick EQ M, that makes them sound even better, if anyone wants it just say the word. Having said all that, the only thing I use them for is pleasure listening and checking for pops/crackles/glicthes etc. But I do love them. For the price they are the best headphones out there, and have been for a long, long time now!
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Post by jampa on Jun 17, 2019 2:17:33 GMT -6
my cheeky answer is: yes
I have the (massdrop) HD6XXs - they have the bloaty low mids and lack sub bass but I love them. I sometimes use them with Sonarworks.
I use a custom balanced cable (ebay) into the THX AAA (headphone amp), which is more clean power than I know what to do with, which pairs nicely with them.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 17, 2019 4:01:44 GMT -6
I keep reading these negative comments about 650’s and wondering about that, like many things on the Net ymmv:)
Anyway, wouldn’t Sonarworks theoretically make all cans linear ?
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Post by moze on Jun 17, 2019 4:39:51 GMT -6
I use the 600's driven with a Little Labs Monotor and Sonarworks. Very useful for me to start a mix and to do final checks during printing.
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Post by Ward on Jun 17, 2019 6:44:29 GMT -6
Negative comments or not, the 650s sound and work great. I use them all the time. Especially great for tracking.
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Post by mikec on Jun 17, 2019 6:57:23 GMT -6
I have the Sonarworks calibrated HD650s and they've become my favorite mixing headphones. For pure comfort, lightweight, and great sound the Audio-Technica ATH-R70x headphones are also some to check out. I probably never would have discovered these if not for winning a pair in one of the Tape Op give aways.
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Post by swurveman on Jun 17, 2019 7:08:14 GMT -6
I keep reading these negative comments about 650’s and wondering about that, like many things on the Net ymmv:) Anyway, wouldn’t Sonarworks theoretically make all cans linear ? I like them because of the bass. My Focals and AKG's have relatively little in comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 7:32:56 GMT -6
I'm not really sure what else to add, I tried the 600s and the 650s back to back and preferred the 600s, for my stated reasons. It wasn't a dis on anyone else's preference, I was just stating my own experience for the OP!
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Post by Omicron9 on Jun 17, 2019 7:35:39 GMT -6
I sold the 650 I had. Very dull and muffled in the top end. On the purple forum, that's known as "vintage warmth." Comfy and well-made, but no good for any kind of critical listening IME. -09
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 17, 2019 8:25:54 GMT -6
I have both. I mix on the 600, listen back on 650. 600 seem flatter to me, the 650 seem prettier sounding.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 17, 2019 9:38:33 GMT -6
My comment probably sounds more opinionated than I met. 650’s are expensive headphones and made by a very reputable company. I just find some of the very negative comments , perhaps overstated, but we all have our preferences for sure!
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 17, 2019 12:53:32 GMT -6
I've never heard the 650s, but I've had the 600s for close to 15 yrs now. For me, they're great under certain conditions. Too much high end for me to listen all day, but they give me a sense of my upper limits. I recently started a thread here about "Something Just Like This" by The Chainsmokers and Coldplay. The HD600s showed me how insanely bright and (IMO) harsh the top end and esses are in Chris Martin's vocals on that song. My mains didn't reveal that and my other headphones didn't reveal that. But once I heard it in the HD600s, I noticed it in my car, too.
It was a specific test-case, but now I know if the vocals aren't too bright or too ess-y on the HD600s, then the vocals are fine. (And even if the vocal *is* too bright on the HD600s, the song still has a chance of being a major hit. Haha.) Even though I've used them for years, I hadn't quite noticed that before. And that's valuable info to have.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 17, 2019 13:08:34 GMT -6
A lot of people seem to really love the HD600 over the HD650.
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Post by bigbone on Jun 17, 2019 14:05:45 GMT -6
HD600 are great to mix,not so great to track ,for me anyway. As they are open.
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Post by mike on Jun 17, 2019 18:03:30 GMT -6
My thanks to you all, I really appreciate your feedback!
While I suspect my ears are probably not what they once were after years of live work, combined with preferences, leads to a little fear of my being tempted to possibly overcompensate and boost a little too much treble with the 650's maybe, and is what makes me lean towards the 600's that may more likely keep that part of me in check I'm thinking.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Jun 17, 2019 19:36:02 GMT -6
I've got the 580 which is the precursor to the 600. Great headphones. I also have the new 58X Jubilee and have used the 600 pretty extensively. All good headphone IMO.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 17, 2019 20:00:33 GMT -6
I have the Massdrop 650 model. They have "temporarily" ( ?) replaced my AKG 702 on the main headphone position in the room. They are staggeringly good but they do seem to require a "high quality" headphone amplifier. I thought they weren't as good until I plugged them into a better amp, big difference. They will show you what your amp is made of. Wonder if that's part of the negative reaction some people are saying about mids and tops.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 17, 2019 20:01:50 GMT -6
I had the 580 a very long time ago but for some reason I hated them.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Jun 17, 2019 20:11:53 GMT -6
I had the 580 a very long time ago but for some reason I hated them. hah, thats interesting. Maybe it was the amp??? I was going to 'upgrade' to the 600s but the were very similar to my 580 when i tested them. They use the same drivers but the grills are different. 580/600/650 do require a good amp because they are 300ohms. The difference isn't subtle.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 17, 2019 20:12:08 GMT -6
I have the Massdrop 650 model. They have "temporarily" ( ?) replaced my AKG 702 on the main headphone position in the room. They are staggeringly good but they do seem to require a "high quality" headphone amplifier. I thought they weren't as good until I plugged them into a better amp, big difference. They will show you what your amp is made of. Wonder if that's part of the negative reaction some people are saying about mids and tops. That's really interesting. Ragan put something up the other day and on quick listen I thought it was dark sounding. HD650s on my MacBook Pro. Then I referenced something I knew intimately and it seemed off too. Gained up the phones and voila, both Ragan's tune and the material I pulled up sounded appropriately balanced in the top end. With my D-Box headphone amp I've never had any issues, the 650s are a reliable 2nd opinion to the Focals as long as you're not relying on them for center channel balance and bottom octave.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 17, 2019 20:18:48 GMT -6
I had the 580 a very long time ago but for some reason I hated them. hah, thats interesting. Maybe it was the amp??? I was going to 'upgrade' to the 600s but the were very similar to my 580 when i tested them. They use the same drivers but the grills are different. 580/600/650 do require a good amp because they are 300ohms. The difference isn't subtle. At the time, back in 2003 or something, I was most certainly using some garbage source. Maybe a walkman CD player, remember those? Some garbage ass PC sound card or something. There is no way I was feeding them properly. I think they were gone before I got my Aardvark Pro Q10 interface. I don't remember using the two together.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 17, 2019 20:22:25 GMT -6
I have the Massdrop 650 model. They have "temporarily" ( ?) replaced my AKG 702 on the main headphone position in the room. They are staggeringly good but they do seem to require a "high quality" headphone amplifier. I thought they weren't as good until I plugged them into a better amp, big difference. They will show you what your amp is made of. Wonder if that's part of the negative reaction some people are saying about mids and tops. That's really interesting. Ragan put something up the other day and on quick listen I thought it was dark sounding. HD650s on my MacBook Pro. Then I referenced something I knew intimately and it seemed off too. Gained up the phones and voila, both Ragan's tune and the material I pulled up sounded appropriately balanced in the top end. With my D-Box headphone amp I've never had any issues, the 650s are a reliable 2nd opinion to the Focals as long as you're not relying on them for center channel balance and bottom octave. Yeah absolutely. With a generic amp stage you get something kind of dark and muted sounding. It's deceiving because there's not volume loss or anything, they just don't sound very good. Feed them with a "strong" amp and the top comes back, the holographic imaging, whatever they just sound good. No volume boost as far as I could tell. It's sort of a weird thing in the sense of you have to really use your ears.
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Post by jamiesego on Jun 21, 2019 13:52:09 GMT -6
I’ve got 600’s with a Little Labs Monotor and what I hear always sounds like what I’m hearing on the monitors.
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