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Post by lordalvin on Jun 15, 2019 12:20:11 GMT -6
Earlier this month I was out at Sonic Ranch tracking with the Josh Abbott Band. Charles, one of the engineers there, talked me into trying out the AEA R92 ribbon mics on toms. It seemed like an odd choice, but I gave them a try and they sounded really good. The crazy thing was that there was almost no cymbal bleed into the tom mics! Check it out. The drummer was smashing the life out of that crash cymbal just about 12 inches above the microphone and all that got onto the rack tom track was the tom hit. I have never seen anything like it. Attachments:
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 15, 2019 12:26:26 GMT -6
Wow. Just the rolloff on top that reduces the cymbals? Because you would think in Figure 8 it might pickup more.
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 15, 2019 12:36:41 GMT -6
Wow. Just the rolloff on top that reduces the cymbals? Because you would think in Figure 8 it might pickup more. I don't know why they work that way. They just do. They sound fantastic too. |
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Post by bigbone on Jun 15, 2019 12:48:07 GMT -6
I would be afraid of the wind blow that could damage the ribbon.Not the sound pressure.!!!!
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 15, 2019 12:51:43 GMT -6
I would be afraid of the wind blow that could damage the ribbon.Not the sound pressure.!!!! What kind of drums blow wind out of the toms? |
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Post by bigbone on Jun 15, 2019 13:14:25 GMT -6
I would be afraid of the wind blow that could damage the ribbon.Not the sound pressure.!!!! What kind of drums blow wind out of the toms? Put your hand on top. close to the head as it been strike. And come back and tell me there isn't any wind....... |
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Post by fishnmusician on Jun 15, 2019 13:21:21 GMT -6
If the cymbal (or anything )is in the null it should be very very quiet I would think, added to the high freq roll off most ribbons.
Damn now I gotta get a bunch of figure 8 ribbons and try this.
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 15, 2019 13:40:16 GMT -6
What kind of drums blow wind out of the toms? Put your hand on top. close to the head as it been strike. And come back and tell me there isn't any wind....... That is sound pressure. It's the air vibrating with the drum head. It is a wave. Wind is air moving in one direction. It is a current. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 15, 2019 13:42:48 GMT -6
Big fan of ribbons on Toms. Lately been doing M160’s and it’s my favorite spot for them.
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 15, 2019 13:46:54 GMT -6
If the cymbal (or anything )is in the null it should be very very quiet I would think, added to the high freq roll off most ribbons. Damn now I gotta get a bunch of figure 8 ribbons and try this. The cymbal in my example isn't in the null. I think the loudness of the tom and the closeness of the mic placement is what is causing such good isolation. The back side of the figure 8 pattern on the R92 is quite a bit darker than the front side. That certainly helps. I'm curious if other ribbon mics work as well in this application as the R92. I would worry about a stick hitting something like my RCA 44BX. Too risky to even try. |
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Post by woofhead on Jun 15, 2019 14:04:24 GMT -6
Big fan of ribbons on Toms. Lately been doing M160’s and it’s my favorite spot for them. Been wanting to try this for a long time excellent will try soon |
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Post by seawell on Jun 15, 2019 14:42:50 GMT -6
That’s crazy, i’m going to have to give it a try. I’ve used my R92 as an outside kick mic plenty of times with no issues. Just as long as you don’t put it right in front of the hole on the kick head of course. They are great mics 👍🏻
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Post by pope on Jun 15, 2019 14:45:32 GMT -6
Are those fig8 or hypercardioid like m160s?
I believe that's the case for all fig8?
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Post by sirthought on Jun 16, 2019 4:19:24 GMT -6
Big fan of ribbons on Toms. Lately been doing M160’s and it’s my favorite spot for them. But those are hypercardioid, right? Must not offer similar effect with the bleed. I've thought about buying those, though. I've been using some hypercardioid dynamics on toms and was disappointed in how much bleed I was still picking up. Seeing lordalvin's results here makes me want to try a figure 8. All I have with that are a couple of Cascade Fatheads, which I never considered as close mics for toms, but willing to try. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 16, 2019 8:38:38 GMT -6
Are those fig8 or hypercardioid like m160s? I believe that's the case for all fig8? Nope, the Royer 121 is brighter on the back side, and the Samar VL37 is pretty much identical front and back. I don't have a 92 but I have an AEA84 and it is darker on the back side. |
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Post by sirthought on Jun 16, 2019 15:29:34 GMT -6
So how I"m reading AEA's website...both the R92 and the N22 are near field mics. The R92 is supposed to have more low and mid presence, while the N22 is supposed to focus more on higher end. But both are supposed to not have as great of proximity effect as typical ribbons, so it's good for getting right up close on instruments and cabs.
So since the N22 is much narrower body, it could likely fit into the kit on toms much easier than the R92. I am curious if I could get a similar result?
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Post by dankin on Jun 16, 2019 17:21:57 GMT -6
Saw someone else mentioning the 92's for toms recently as well. Curious how much EQ you end up doing in comparison to the other usually options?
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Post by sirthought on Jun 23, 2019 0:42:42 GMT -6
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