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Post by svart on Jun 7, 2019 9:58:03 GMT -6
Anyone know of any decent ones, maybe a lav system?
Looking to do some interviews soon and need to get some close mic tracks in a group atmosphere.
I'm not opposed to higher end stuff, but would prefer budget-minded options if anyone has any experience.
There's too many bottom barrel options and too many reviews to make sense of which is what.
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Post by stormymondays on Jun 7, 2019 9:59:42 GMT -6
My advice is "buy right, buy once": DPA 4060. I just got a pair for a project but I'm planning to use it on anything and everything!
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 7, 2019 10:18:49 GMT -6
Yep the 4060 is great. We have 6 of them we use for all kinds of things.
Use them with also the best, Lecrosonics transmitters and receivers. The Lecro mic's are..okay usually. But the 4060s are way better.
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Post by svart on Jun 7, 2019 10:23:12 GMT -6
My advice is "buy right, buy once": DPA 4060. I just got a pair for a project but I'm planning to use it on anything and everything! So does it need plug in power? |
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Post by stormymondays on Jun 7, 2019 10:28:04 GMT -6
The DPA works with phantom power and I got adaptors for Sony wireless transmitters which I haven't tried yet. So they should work with plug in power too, I suppose with a reduced dynamic range. I won't see my video guy for at least a week so can't try them.
EDIT: Just looked it up.
Power supply
With DAD6001-BC/DAD6024/DAD4099: 48 V phantom power ±4 V for full performance.
For wireless systems: Min. 5 V through DPA adapter (SC4063 min. 3 V).
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2019 10:30:15 GMT -6
My 2 cents always been a Senn. MKE2 fan, as well as Countryman, you want Omni !!! I would seriously consider trying out a simple Omni dynamic Omni on a stand first, depending on who your interviewing you may find the subject far more open and more comfortable if they don’t have a mic pinned to them.
It always amazed me how many newsies didn’t understand that a mic on a table made for better news, it sold a lot of 635a’s!
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Post by svart on Jun 7, 2019 10:34:22 GMT -6
I was planning on running this wirelessly, so no phantom..
Some belt packs have a bias, some don't, and it's hard to tell which one of the thousands listed online have it, and which ones of the millions of lav mics listed need it..
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 7, 2019 10:34:59 GMT -6
I use ours plugged in directly all the time. They work great. We use the inside pianos outside and even on string plays bridges outside.
Also have adaptor for our Shure transmitters and they work great there too.
For interviews I also prefer a shotgun mic, always sounds better but also will depend on the space.
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2019 10:56:41 GMT -6
I was planning on running this wirelessly, so no phantom.. Some belt packs have a bias, some don't, and it's hard to tell which one of the thousands listed online have it, and which ones of the millions of lav mics listed need it.. Almost all well known wireless systems offer bias on their belt packs. The fun part is figuring out what connector and the pin out you need. Honestly Senn, Shure Sony and Lectrosonics are the standard for ENG use for a reason. But I would never use a wireless without having a way to run without it in my kit. Even the best wireless is at best an OK substitute for a shitty cheap mic cable. |
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Post by svart on Jun 7, 2019 11:09:46 GMT -6
I was planning on running this wirelessly, so no phantom.. Some belt packs have a bias, some don't, and it's hard to tell which one of the thousands listed online have it, and which ones of the millions of lav mics listed need it.. Almost all well known wireless systems offer bias on their belt packs. The fun part is figuring out what connector and the pin out you need. Honestly Senn, Shure Sony and Lectrosonics are the standard for ENG use for a reason. But I would never use a wireless without having a way to run without it in my kit. Even the best wireless is at best an OK substitute for a shitty cheap mic cable. Yeah, there's too much noise in all the marketing for these things. Everyone has a proprietary connector, needs this or that adapter, etc. And every review section is: "Greatest, quietest, best sound" in conjunction with.. "sounds like ass, noisy" And I can't make heads or tails of which is actually good and which is trash. I really like the RODE GO setup, but I can't find any info on the mic input and if it supplies bias or not. So I kinda envisioned this: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1471382-REG/rode_wireless_go_compact_wireless.htmlWith this: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/971303-REG/microphone_madness_mm_lapel_2_lapel_style_uni_directional.htmlBut the lav mic needs bias. I suppose I can just make up a little battery box for it and have a couple AA batteries supply bias. Honestly that's all I need to suppliment the shotgun mic and room mics, etc. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 7, 2019 19:04:46 GMT -6
It’s hard to beat the Sennheisers for this kind of work. And they’re pretty ubiquitous in the DSLR “filmmaker” world, which means you can often find them on Craigslist for pretty cheap.
But yes, I find the new Røde Wireless GO to be quite intriguing. Caleb Pike has a good review of it.
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Post by cyrano on Jun 9, 2019 16:45:37 GMT -6
Have you considered Audio Technica? They have a wide range, with connectors for about every beltpack out there.
I prefer Senn MKE too, but price wise, the AT's are very good.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 9, 2019 17:37:24 GMT -6
4060's are the only ones I know of that you'll also use for other studio omni duty.
We were using Sennheiser wireless with ME series omni's or cardioid's and recently switched to Shure ULX-D with WL183/WL185 mics, and I've found the Shure mics seem to need less tweaky EQ adjustments when they move from person to person. I'm usually running 4-10 channels over PA systems in auditoriums, sometimes with video record or broadcast or webcast.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 9, 2019 19:13:14 GMT -6
4060's are the only ones I know of that you'll also use for other studio omni duty. We were using Sennheiser wireless with ME series omni's or cardioid's and recently switched to Shure ULX-D with WL183/WL185 mics, and I've found the Shure mics seem to need less tweaky EQ adjustments when they move from person to person. I'm usually running 4-10 channels over PA systems in auditoriums, sometimes with video record or broadcast or webcast. this is good to lnow re: the Shure mics. I’ve never used those. (And yes, absolutely agree about the 4060s.) |
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Post by LazyOldSun on Jun 9, 2019 20:58:31 GMT -6
DPA's are great if you have the budget. Sanken Cos-11 are popular for location sound especially when you need to hide the mic under clothes. If on a budget, I would consider Oscar Tech. They make Tram and Sanken copies for affordable prices. oscarsoundtech.com/services.html |
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Post by spock on Jun 10, 2019 8:49:58 GMT -6
Anyone know of any decent ones, maybe a lav system? Looking to do some interviews soon and need to get some close mic tracks in a group atmosphere. I'm not opposed to higher end stuff, but would prefer budget-minded options if anyone has any experience. There's too many bottom barrel options and too many reviews to make sense of which is what. DPA, worth every penny; the sound is great. |
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