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Post by nudwig on Jul 15, 2019 18:41:55 GMT -6
How are you liking the OLLA John?
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 15, 2019 19:15:12 GMT -6
Hey man, whatever meets your needs, great. I've got the RND and the ZOD and feel they're both worth the money. OK, whatever works for u, I wish I had a budget like u hehe Lol, sounds like your 8xRND budget is a bit higher than mine. I get the setup approach though with having things ready and not switching around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 20:25:23 GMT -6
So you’re saying you’ve spent well over $500 on DI’s? Ok. When you pay me $500 for the losing bet, I should break even 🙄🤨
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 15, 2019 20:55:51 GMT -6
I'm curious how many DI's most people would use at any one time. Was thinking about this earlier today. I have quite a few, maybe 8 or so, but I'm sort of wondering what situation would come where I would need that many. Even though I want to stock up for some reason. Just for options maybe? Live tracking a band with more than 1 keyboard. I’ve done sessions where a keys player had 3 keyboards and an out from a laptop interface rig - they were all stereo so that’s 8 right there. Add in guitar and bass and you’ve got 10. Lots of di’s!!
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Post by ragan on Jul 15, 2019 22:45:12 GMT -6
So you’re saying you’ve spent well over $500 on DI’s? Ok. So you’re saying you’ve spent well over $500 on DI’s? Ok. When you pay me $500 for the losing bet, I should break even 🙄🤨 Wait what am I missing. Aren't these $269 a pop? Eight of them is $2,152...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 23:34:55 GMT -6
So you’re saying you’ve spent well over $500 on DI’s? Ok. When you pay me $500 for the losing bet, I should break even 🙄🤨 Wait what am I missing. Aren't these $269 a pop? Eight of them is $2,152... I check its six but it doesn't really matter. There was a need so it was a must, thats why i said, theyre expensive in first place for what they do
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Post by ragan on Jul 15, 2019 23:53:37 GMT -6
Wait what am I missing. Aren't these $269 a pop? Eight of them is $2,152... I check its six but it doesn't really matter. There was a need so it was a must, thats why i said, theyre expensive in first place for what they do It was just the math I was concerned about. Ya need as many DIs as ya need.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 0:22:55 GMT -6
I check its six but it doesn't really matter. There was a need so it was a must, thats why i said, theyre expensive in first place for what they do It was just the math I was concerned about. Ya need as many DIs as ya need. Understandable. I get bargains due to relationships and purchase history. Anyway don't want to take away from original post
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Post by stormymondays on Jul 16, 2019 12:09:57 GMT -6
I sold my REDDDi and now go direct via my UA 2-610. No big change. To me, the REDDI absolutely delivers on its promise. It really sounds like a line out tap from an Ampeg B-15. And it's stellar on Wurlitzer as well, though I like to feed it a bit more gain before I hit it.
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Jul 17, 2019 15:23:21 GMT -6
I'm sorry to say this (general comment, not directed at anyone) but I think person has to be a fool to spend 500-600 on a Di alone. It will never be 5x6 times better, just different. No offense taken. Plenty of readers will, on the surface, surely share your sentiment. But if you will allow me to act as a boutique apologist and dive a little deeper... The Pueblo Audio OLLA DI box is $499. Following your premise, let’s compare some of OLLA’s objective, physical properties with another reputable product that is one fifth the price ($100). I find that OLLA has: x2 more Headroom and forward “gain” (won't clip and needs less gain make up) x4 less LF Distortion (focused bass) x5 better Deviation from Linear Phase (solid definition & resolved tonality) x7 lower Output Impedance (lower noise floor) x10 greater LF Extension (deep, full bass) x25 better Bandwidth Linearity (even voicing) x30 better Hum & Buzz Rejection (less noise & interference) x321 greater Input Impedance (if chosen, for optimal loading) As can be seen, most of those specs are well over 5 times better than the cheaper alternative, perfectly in sync with its 5 times price tag. Also, most budget DI’s are one trick ponies (this box for piezo, that box for passives, the other for pro level, etc.) and unable to cope with the the wide varieties of instrument impedances or balanced-versus-unbalanced connections. OLLA can handle them all, without compromise, which further justifies the asking price. If one desires even better price-to-performance ratio, then there is the OLLA-4. This 4ch/1U chassis drops the price to $425 per channel and is a great choice for synth racks and back line applications... Attachment DeletedBut what about the subjective benefits? That is a bit difficult to quantify with numbers. I remember in the ‘80s when I first got to use pro DIs (all the usual suspects). I plugged in the instruments and listened. My head almost spun of my neck as I thought; “is this what pro gear is supposed to sound like -- for real?!” The guitar kind of sounded like a ukulele, the bass like a banjo: WTF! In my newbness I assumed it must have been my fault; I was doing something wrong. Later, as an assistant, I started observing pro engineers using the same DIs. They would have to apply 25 pounds of processing just to get the signals to sort of resemble the original sound. Aha! It wasn't me. The DIs were to blame. All the usual suspects are, in fact, sub par and heavy with infidelity. That was the driving force to create OLLA. Higher fidelity and resolution = less unnecessary processing, faster mix times and more of the artist. It's a difference where many players have said it affected there performance (for the better) while monitoring through the unit. That’s significant! With all this in mind, avoid the thought of OLLA as being 5 times better. I would simply say that OLLA has a normal and proper ability to resolve tonality. It's the cheaper alternatives which are actually 5 times below an acceptable standard. I'm sure that statement will smell like herecy to many, but it's the inevitable conclusion that I had to draw and then design a solution for it. So, no fooling, there are boutique DIs that are worth the $$$ and do deliver the value. Give ‘em a taste.
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Post by hadaja on Jul 17, 2019 17:03:00 GMT -6
Thanks Scott for giving us your perspective. It balances out the mis-information and then gives us a more even expectation when we approach the task of buying a DI. But yes there are times when we do want to buy a one trick pony DI and other times when we dont. Dam it i just bought a Manley DI. Thank you for now putting the OLLA on my immediate DI horizon. Is there a special RGO deal if we purchase one of these? Thanks
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 17, 2019 17:31:42 GMT -6
So which do you own? The zod? The Pueblo? The RND? I have 8xRnd That doesn't give you a lot of comparison. What others have you owned?
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 17, 2019 17:56:30 GMT -6
Wait what am I missing. Aren't these $269 a pop? Eight of them is $2,152... I check its six but it doesn't really matter. There was a need so it was a must, thats why i said, theyre expensive in first place for what they do Not really. I have an A-Designs KGB-II stereo DI/preamp. MSRP is $860, about $775 street. That's starting to get expensive, but you don't need a preamp with it and it sounds incredible. But if you want the Rolls Royce of direct boxes check out the Tonecraft DI. All tube with 1X 6SL7, 2x 6SN7 octal base tubes, 10 meg input impedance (NOT a misprint), Baxandall EQ, turret board construction, 5Hz-75kHz bandwidth, 2 outputs with individual Cinemag transformers and ground lifts, +22dBu output. MSRP is only about $1500. www.tonecraftaudio.com/ Unfortunately I don't own one yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 19:06:00 GMT -6
And here I was complaining about rndi prices 😅 at the end of the day if budget is not an issue, people can get whatever suits their needs.
@pueblo where can I hear some examples of ur di? And I also checked REDDI and its quite good but I still think 700 is pretty steep for a single channel in this day n age.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 17, 2019 20:06:13 GMT -6
An alternative to a $1,000 DI box with tubes and a tone stack
Is a $750 tube amp direct into a $250 load box/DI like the Two Notes Torpedo Captor, with a speaker IR loader inside the box.
This is something I have done to good effect.
But what do I know LOL.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 18, 2019 0:21:06 GMT -6
An alternative to a $1,000 DI box with tubes and a tone stack Is a $750 tube amp direct into a $250 load box/DI like the Two Notes Torpedo Captor, with a speaker IR loader inside the box. This is something I have done to good effect. But what do I know LOL. I dunno, man - after all, you ARE a monkey!
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Post by jamiesego on Jul 18, 2019 8:27:53 GMT -6
Do any of you have experience with the Ampeg PF20T or PF50T? You can run them without a cab.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 18, 2019 11:54:35 GMT -6
Do any of you have experience with the Ampeg PF20T or PF50T? You can run them without a cab. Not those exact models, no. But they're the latest iteration of the Portaflex tube amps, which I do have a lot of experience with and yes, you can run them without a cab, they have the means to run the preamp while the power amp is on standby. And unless they've messed with the preamp design they do make a good bass DI.
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Jul 18, 2019 11:59:25 GMT -6
Thanks Scott for giving us your perspective. It balances out the mis-information and then gives us a more even expectation when we approach the task of buying a DI. Hi hadaja! Your very welcome. I'm gratified that the info was helpful. Thank you for now putting the OLLA on my immediate DI horizon. Is there a special RGO deal if we purchase one of these? Thanks I would love to see RGO'ers with OLLA's in their hands. Pueblo is not one of those companies that artificially inflates MSRP to leave room for haggling the price down. I don't like that game so I just price Pueblo products as low as I can while still keeping the lights on. Unfortunately that does not leave a lot of wiggle room for discounts. One thing we could do is, if you payed by cash or check, we could shave off the 4% finance charges. Another thought is that if there was a RGO group purchase (where I would just ship the order to a single address) that would save me some labor-hours and could lower the price. If you could get at least 3 to buy in I would offer 15% discount. If 6 or more I could go 25%. All combined that would be a 29% discount. Thats a pretty healthy discount, after all. Hmmm, I might be regretting this...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 18, 2019 15:26:41 GMT -6
I can’t remember where I posted my thoughts on the OLLA, but I thought it was objectively better than the RNDI. And I thought the RNDI was really great.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 18, 2019 16:30:02 GMT -6
I’d be in on a group buy for the OLLA di
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2019 16:50:52 GMT -6
Do any of you have experience with the Ampeg PF20T or PF50T? You can run them without a cab. I own the PF20T for the exact reason you are describing. It makes a great studio bass amp and the different DI options are great.
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Post by wiz on Jul 18, 2019 17:01:47 GMT -6
Do any of you have experience with the Ampeg PF20T or PF50T? You can run them without a cab. I own the PF20T for the exact reason you are describing. It makes a great studio bass amp and the different DI options are great. Any chance we can hear it? Just a walking bass line on its own would be great Cheers Wiz
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Post by Quint on Jul 19, 2019 14:37:18 GMT -6
I own the PF20T for the exact reason you are describing. It makes a great studio bass amp and the different DI options are great. Any chance we can hear it? Just a walking bass line on its own would be great Cheers Wiz I would just watch the videos at the Sweetwater page below. They a go a lot more in depth than anything I might provide. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PF-20T--ampeg-pf-20t-portaflex-20w-all-tube-bass-headI watched all of these videos when I was looking to potentially buy a PF20T and I thought they did a good job showing what the various DI options could do. I liked what I heard enough to order one.
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Post by din on Jul 19, 2019 16:50:28 GMT -6
Do any of you have experience with the Ampeg PF20T or PF50T? You can run them without a cab. I have the PF50T. The DI from that into a Chandler Germ Pre sounds wonderful on bass.
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