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Post by ab101 on Aug 23, 2022 10:14:04 GMT -6
Have you tried the Soyuz on a female - soprano? Any thoughts? That is where my Upton 251 shines, though with a GE 5 star tube over the EH Dallas provided. I can’t speak to the Soyuz or the Upton 251 on soprano, but a U67 is amazing on soprano. You never have to worry that the Soprano might sound a bit too bright. If need be you just add a little top end EQ. How interesting. I had not thought of the U67 on a soprano voice. I have the reissue. I will check it out versus the Upton. Thank you. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 23, 2022 10:36:41 GMT -6
I can’t speak to the Soyuz or the Upton 251 on soprano, but a U67 is amazing on soprano. You never have to worry that the Soprano might sound a bit too bright. If need be you just add a little top end EQ. How interesting. I had not thought of the U67 on a soprano voice. I have the reissue. I will check it out versus the Upton. Thank you. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts after you try it. My wife uses our Neumann MK U67 primarily these days. It's a less open than the FleA 49, which can be a touch aggressive on her. You see U67s all over Broadway cast recordings. Although, admittedly you see the ELA M251 on sopranos as well. Here are two fun examples from the same cast recording Bridges of Madison County with the same soprano, Kelli O'Hara. The first she is on the U67. In the Duet she is on the ELA M251 and tenor Steven Pasqaule is on the U67. My wife's mezzo soprano voice is a bit more robust than Kelli's lyric soprano. If you watch these videos you can see they are recording through the Neve console with 31102 preamps and into LA2As. Neumann U67: Telefunken ELA M251 Here's a another theater recording with the soprano on a U67. This one features lyric baritone Anthony Warlow. He might be the most influential singer in my own singing who is still alive. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 23, 2022 11:17:01 GMT -6
Congratulations Stormymondays! You won't regret having a real Neumann.
The Soyuz 0-17 is unquestionably world class. It has its own sound, but is in the general direction of a U67. I have their 0-19 FET. It's very similar sounding, but being an FET, it's just a little drier and less rich than the 0-17. I found it's tremendous on dreadnought acoustic guitars, better than anything in fact. It works well in situation where a U87 would be used. A really good vocal mic for sure. Still, the 0-17 FET has the kind of special magic the Elam 251 and U67 have. It's a matter of personal preference at that level, but you can't go wrong with it.
My voice happens to be particularly compatible with a vintage U67. I have the Stam SA67 and it's seriously good. I haven't done a shootout against the Neumann reissue though. I'd love to see how that compares. I think Joshua voiced it closer to the vintage models. To me, it's kind of in-between the tone of a modern sound and a vintage sound, a logical choice for a a manufacturer I think.
My personal favorite is the Chandler REDD. It's a little bright, but the low level detail is unsurpassed IMO. I'll get one eventually. For now I'm grateful that Stam has gotten me in the ballpark. I wish it did, but the Warm doesn't really come close.
Oh, welcome to the forum piilani !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 23, 2022 11:32:44 GMT -6
A quick test done a few years ago at The Barbershop Studios with Jeremy Gillespie engineering. No EQ, straight into the SSL 9000, just a pinch of reverb.
Soyuz 0-19
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/mic-shootout-2-mic-3
U-47
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/mic-shootout-2-mic-1
U-67
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/mic-shootout-1-u67
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2022 14:06:47 GMT -6
A quick test done a few years ago at The Barbershop Studios with Jeremy Gillespie engineering. No EQ, straight into the SSL 9000, just a pinch of reverb. 67 all the way but the Soyuz ain't bad. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 23, 2022 17:39:16 GMT -6
Thanks Shadow, I wish I had the Soyuz 0-17 with the tube to compare when I did that shootout. What's strange and interesting about the vintage U67 is that we didn't change the reverb level, but the reverb reaches out wider and sounds stronger. The cardioid pattern feels wider, but never loses focus. I've had some highly rated mics that were called cardioid but veered in omni territory. I've only ever heard one other mic perform that trick and it was the Chandler REDD47.
Just for reference, this track was done with the Soyuz 0-17 in my old apartment.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/long-road-back-master
This track was done with the Soyuz 0-19
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/05-give-your-love-the-best-that-you-can-do
I'll try to post something with the Stam 67 to stay on topic, but haven't done anything official with it yet. I forgot to mention that's our own M57 (Mark Rabuck on keys and ALL the BV's), Hakan Hansson (Drumrec) on drums, on Give Your Love, and Jesse Coutou (The Mixing House) mastering on Long Road Back !
Those 67's in the videos Vincent linked sound great!
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Post by piilani on Aug 27, 2022 11:13:06 GMT -6
Congratulations Stormymondays! You won't regret having a real Neumann. The Soyuz 0-17 is unquestionably world class. It has its own sound, but is in the general direction of a U67. I have their 0-19 FET. It's very similar sounding, but being an FET, it's just a little drier and less rich than the 0-17. I found it's tremendous on dreadnought acoustic guitars, better than anything in fact. It works well in situation where a U87 would be used. A really good vocal mic for sure. Still, the 0-17 FET has the kind of special magic the Elam 251 and U67 have. It's a matter of personal preference at that level, but you can't go wrong with it. My voice happens to be particularly compatible with a vintage U67. I have the Stam SA67 and it's seriously good. I haven't done a shootout against the Neumann reissue though. I'd love to see how that compares. I think Joshua voiced it closer to the vintage models. To me, it's kind of in-between the tone of a modern sound and a vintage sound, a logical choice for a a manufacturer I think. My personal favorite is the Chandler REDD. It's a little bright, but the low level detail is unsurpassed IMO. I'll get one eventually. For now I'm grateful that Stam has gotten me in the ballpark. I wish it did, but the Warm doesn't really come close. Oh, welcome to the forum piilani ! Thanks for the welcome. |
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Post by piilani on Aug 27, 2022 11:22:45 GMT -6
I am in the midst of shooting out the Soyuz 017 Tube against the U67 Reissue. So far I prefer the Soyuz. I think it sounds glorious. It addresses all of issues I have with my Flea 47. I got the SU-017 Tube several months ago and I absolutely love it. Favorite mic I've ever owned. I just finished shooting out the U67 Reissue and Soyuz 017. Unfortunately there was an issue with both of them. The connection between the mic cable and U67 was funky and needed a lot of cajoling in order to work. As for the Soyuz 017, it was picking up RF. Neither the U67 or Flea 47 pick up any RF. When tracking I preferred the Soyuz 017. The sound was more inspirational. When listening back to the takes it was more of a toss up. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 27, 2022 11:47:20 GMT -6
I got the SU-017 Tube several months ago and I absolutely love it. Favorite mic I've ever owned. I just finished shooting out the U67 Reissue and Soyuz 017. Unfortunately there was an issue with both of them. The connection between the mic cable and U67 was funky and needed a lot of cajoling in order to work. As for the Soyuz 017, it was picking up RF. Neither the U67 or Flea 47 pick up any RF. When tracking I preferred the Soyuz 017. The sound was more inspirational. When listening back to the takes it was more of a toss up. RF is a nightmare |
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Post by piilani on Aug 27, 2022 13:09:10 GMT -6
Congratulations Stormymondays! You won't regret having a real Neumann. The Soyuz 0-17 is unquestionably world class. It has its own sound, but is in the general direction of a U67. I have their 0-19 FET. It's very similar sounding, but being an FET, it's just a little drier and less rich than the 0-17. I found it's tremendous on dreadnought acoustic guitars, better than anything in fact. It works well in situation where a U87 would be used. A really good vocal mic for sure. Still, the 0-17 FET has the kind of special magic the Elam 251 and U67 have. It's a matter of personal preference at that level, but you can't go wrong with it. My voice happens to be particularly compatible with a vintage U67. I have the Stam SA67 and it's seriously good. I haven't done a shootout against the Neumann reissue though. I'd love to see how that compares. I think Joshua voiced it closer to the vintage models. To me, it's kind of in-between the tone of a modern sound and a vintage sound, a logical choice for a a manufacturer I think. My personal favorite is the Chandler REDD. It's a little bright, but the low level detail is unsurpassed IMO. I'll get one eventually. For now I'm grateful that Stam has gotten me in the ballpark. I wish it did, but the Warm doesn't really come close. Oh, welcome to the forum piilani ! Hi Martin, As you seem to have experience with both the Soyuz 017 tube and the Chandler REDD Mic can you explain what it is you prefer about the Chandler REDD? I think the Soyuz 017 sounds great. You say: "It's a little bright, but the low level detail is unsurpassed IMO." Can you provide any more information? The arrangements for my music are very sparse and the vocals are front and center. The listener needs to be able to hear every syllable clearly - as if they were in the same room as the vocalist. I am returning the U67 RI and Soyuz 017 tube to VK before the 30 day trial is up and am considering auditioning the Chandler REDD before asking VK to send me another Soyuz 017 tube that hopefully will not have the RF issue. Thanks. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 27, 2022 17:16:18 GMT -6
Hi Piilani, both the Soyuz 0-17 and the Chandler REDD are top drawer pieces. I'd say they're equal, but different. To me, the Soyuz was smooth as silk, I'd be thrilled to own to and if I did, I probably wouldn't worry about the Chandler unless I made a big bunch of cash one month.
The Chandler is different because it has the preamp built in. That eliminates cabling to and from a preamp. I think that gives the Chandler the edge on low level detail. It made me sing better, and I felt comfortable singing at lower volumes in some places because the lyrics were still intelligible.
Having used U47's, U67's, U87's, M49, and a C-12, the U67 fit my voice the best. It has the unusual quality of sounding bigger, (wider) than all the others. Using the same reverb setting, the 67 seemed to push the reverb wider on both sides. The Chandler is the only mic I've heard that does that very same thing. It doesn't lose focus, even though it sounds bigger.
The Chandler does have a very extended high frequency range though, so I would recommend a pinch of EQ to taste. This might help. Jump to 7:45 for the Chandler.. No EQ or processing at all, just a little reverb..
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Post by piilani on Aug 28, 2022 11:16:04 GMT -6
Hi Piilani, both the Soyuz 0-17 and the Chandler REDD are top drawer pieces. I'd say they're equal, but different. To me, the Soyuz was smooth as silk, I'd be thrilled to own to and if I did, I probably wouldn't worry about the Chandler unless I made a big bunch of cash one month. The Chandler is different because it has the preamp built in. That eliminates cabling to and from a preamp. I think that gives the Chandler the edge on low level detail. It made me sing better, and I felt comfortable singing at lower volumes in some places because the lyrics were still intelligible. Having used U47's, U67's, U87's, M49, and a C-12, the U67 fit my voice the best. It has the unusual quality of sounding bigger, (wider) than all the others. Using the same reverb setting, the 67 seemed to push the reverb wider on both sides. The Chandler is the only mic I've heard that does that very same thing. It doesn't lose focus, even though it sounds bigger. The Chandler does have a very extended high frequency range though, so I would recommend a pinch of EQ to taste. This might help. Jump to 7:45 for the Chandler.. No EQ or processing at all, just a little reverb.. Thanks for the insight! |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 28, 2022 11:58:25 GMT -6
I'm surprised more "Modern" Rap/Hip Hop/R&B/Pop singers ARE NOT using the REDD. Clarity without harshness!  Chris |
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 29, 2022 2:09:47 GMT -6
So the current flavour of the month is the Neumann 67 RI Hasn’t this mic been out for a while? I really must organise a demo and compare it to my M7 Wunder CM7. |
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Post by piilani on Nov 12, 2022 17:59:45 GMT -6
Hi Piilani, both the Soyuz 0-17 and the Chandler REDD are top drawer pieces. I'd say they're equal, but different. To me, the Soyuz was smooth as silk, I'd be thrilled to own to and if I did, I probably wouldn't worry about the Chandler unless I made a big bunch of cash one month. The Chandler is different because it has the preamp built in. That eliminates cabling to and from a preamp. I think that gives the Chandler the edge on low level detail. It made me sing better, and I felt comfortable singing at lower volumes in some places because the lyrics were still intelligible. Having used U47's, U67's, U87's, M49, and a C-12, the U67 fit my voice the best. It has the unusual quality of sounding bigger, (wider) than all the others. Using the same reverb setting, the 67 seemed to push the reverb wider on both sides. The Chandler is the only mic I've heard that does that very same thing. It doesn't lose focus, even though it sounds bigger. The Chandler does have a very extended high frequency range though, so I would recommend a pinch of EQ to taste. This might help. Jump to 7:45 for the Chandler.. No EQ or processing at all, just a little reverb.. Hi Martin, I just picked up the REDD Microphone. So far I am pretty impressed. My first concern was that it was going to be too bright but I don't find that to be the case, yet anyway. I think the Drive and Low Contour options are useful as well. I look forward to running it through its paces. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Nov 13, 2022 22:06:20 GMT -6
I'm surprised more "Modern" Rap/Hip Hop/R&B/Pop singers ARE NOT using the REDD. Clarity without harshness! Chris Because they think the U87 AI is the go to mic for modern rap. There’s so little I like, it’s a chore. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 14, 2022 10:23:39 GMT -6
Congratulations piilani!
Adam Fiori is the product specialist at Chandler. He's a member here going by the name Spock. He's a great resource and incredibly helpful. Reach out to him if you need to.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 14, 2022 10:57:45 GMT -6
While I didn't feel the Chandler was right for Emily and I, its a heck of a microphone. I know quite a few people who have one and just sound great on it.
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Post by piilani on Nov 14, 2022 13:52:50 GMT -6
Congratulations piilani! Adam Fiori is the product specialist at Chandler. He's a member here going by the name Spock. He's a great resource and incredibly helpful. Reach out to him if you need to. Thanks for the tip. Good to know. |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 14, 2022 15:11:02 GMT -6
I'm real curious if anyone has a Soyuz Launcher, or is getting one...
How it does on the various condensers.
Thanks, Chris
P.S. IIRC Paul G, is getting one pretty soon.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 14, 2022 15:22:03 GMT -6
I'm seriously interested in their new 1973 FET.
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Post by recordingengineer on Nov 14, 2022 19:18:43 GMT -6
I am too. It may be my next mic; that or the Sanken CU-55… Then again, a pair of No Hype LRM-V have been calling my name for far too long! M in no rush at all though. I’m still enjoying my honeymoon with the Milab VIP-60!
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Post by paulcheeba on Nov 14, 2022 21:06:32 GMT -6
I'm real curious if anyone has a Soyuz Launcher, or is getting one... How it does on the various condensers. Thanks, Chris P.S. IIRC Paul G, is getting one pretty soon. I got 2 when I bought the range but I want the new one now, that reminds me…. |
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Post by hadaja on May 23, 2024 15:05:36 GMT -6
I liked the AEA R44CE being passive over the A440 as well. Very informative thread from Stormymondays.
I did just buy an AEA r44ce mic in preparation for comparing it against my 44bx and hopefully a wa44. Should be interesting.
I think EmRR makes a lot of sense when he takes about mixing preamps with passive ribbons over getting active ribbons or using boosters. I have now taken on that approach with buying my ribbon mics.
There has been a handful of us here that have bought the Beesneez 67 with great results. Glad that the RI67 is working out for you.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 23, 2024 20:42:55 GMT -6
Congrats on your purchase stormymondays! For all those saying they want a 67 (but maybe can’t afford one?), take a serious look at the Beesneez B67/269 V2…like a real serious look. Wish I had found it years ago! And, I could get 4 of these for the price of one 67 RI…
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