Michael Jackson is a Piece of Shit

Oh no...what did he do now...

Man I read that at 5am and almost spit out my coffee. Well played sir...well played.

Interesting info:

www.forbes.com/sites/joevogel/2019/01/29/what-you-should-know-about-the-new-michael-jackson-documentary/

I watched the documentary last night. It was profoundly disturbing. The Joe Vogel piece is interesting, but one should see the doc before making assumptions on where Jackson and his various accusers rank in an intersectional victim hierarchy. Joe should see it too. 

The Jackson portrayed in the doc didn't come off to me as any more monstrous than had already been alledged and rumored for years, but as a more complex, flawed human whose phenominal success and talent allowed him to exist in a self fabricated hot-house non-reality. 

The greatest damage to Robson and Safechuck and their families was not necessarily the inappropriate sex/love relationship with Jackson, which they survived, but the hiding and denial of reality required of them for a multitude of reasons around the experience and the family relationship with Jackson that ultimately broke down their personalities and assumedly, the personalities of the others in similar circumstance. Sexualizing children is not a good thing, and keeping it a secret is worse. 

As a juror in the 2005 trial said, an adult man doesn't sleep with young boys night after night, month after month and nothing happens but movies and popcorn.

Disappointing start: “Disclaimer: this article is not intended as a review of Leaving Neverland, which I have not seen, but rather of the context behind the allegations in the documentary.”

This ^^

The amount of detail they went into would be almost impossible to fake. People are questioning Robson for his glowing support of Jackson for years...as he said in the doc (I believe) - those were true words coming from the heart. He loved the guy. I think the fact that it was male on male sexual abuse causes people to consider it "more" of a crime than if it were hetero...like "how could these men still take up for a guy that sexually abused them...I would have shot the guy first chance I got..." Yeah, that's how I think I would feel looking at it from my 45 year old perspective...but the truth is, this predator was robbing them completely of their identities at 7 freaking years old. They didn't know gay from straight...all they knew was that this man - this God in their eyes - told them that he loved them and this is how they could please him. They were IMPRINTED with those feelings in pre-pubescence.

Imagine if it were a 35 year old woman instead of MJ and a 13 year old boy. Imagine the mixed feelings you would have...Think about these stories of female teachers sleeping with 13 year old boys. We've all heard guys mumble under their breath "damn, lucky guy..." Don't you know that those young boys in that situation get completely messed up later in life in relationships - I would imagine they catch themselves fighting the emotion that it really wasn't "that" bad. Well - how is that really any different from Robson/Safechuck and Jackson? They're only realizing the true effect on their psyche years later. The fact that Robson protected him for as long as he did doesn't surprise me in the least.

You make some good points. There are certainly plenty of women who protect the men/husbands/boyfriends that abuse them. On the outside it doesn’t seem to make sense but emotional trauma is very complicated thing and creates a massive clusterfuck of often contradictory feelings, emotions and fears.

I knew a woman who looked after Jackson's children for a time, one of many. I didn't push her after she said that she couldn't talk about it, but did tell me that it all was "a very odd, weird and surreal place to be". She taught the kids how to bead.

Edit: No shitting you, the name she called her one woman operation was...Just Bead It. Maybe she is still at it.

I think the idea of banning MJ songs is ridiculous. I'm not a fan of his music particularly, but I do think he was a creative genius on par with someone like Paul McCartney. If we found out that Mozart or Hendrix or Johnny Cash was a child rapist/torturer/murderer, would that somehow make his music less valid?

Michael, Michael, Michael as a fellow burn victim I sympathize with the Propophyl, hell I would love a night full of sleep. I have known people who have worked with him who never really had a bad thing to say but, many had signed NDA’s that made Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary look small and nobody ever said they would leave their kids alone with him.

I get the family’s unwavering defense, he was their brother, and he is the one paying for a lifestyle most of us only dream of, but here is the thing the abuse Joe inflicted on all of them is well documented and how can you expect that it didn’t screw them all up? Then again they live in a world of denial deeper than MJ’s royalty checks. I want to believe that MJ was just the true stunted man child, but I know better and unlike Michael never lived in Neverland or had the bones of the elephant man.
The man himself said it “ I’m not like other boys, I’m different” all of us knew this to be true post puberty and most of us would never let our young children have a sleep over where they shared a bed with an adult in a Mansion with as many bedrooms as most of us have socks.

But here is the real question can we separate the art from the man?
I mean, Jerry Lee Lewis anybody? Phil Spector? R Kelly? To name a few. Don’t get me wrong I think the man is disgusting , I won’t be deleting any of his tunes from my library ( the only MJ music here is a Quincy Jones Autographed We Are the World single, yeah I was a weird kid) but I’ll probably hum along to Billie Jean next time I hear it.

In the world of file court papers first think second its CYB!
MSN is a market place reaction to FOX NEWS, but unlike the Murdock’s Universal will dump everybody the second they see a more profitable path. That said even as a Proud Madison Progressive, I can’t take more than 30 minutes of Rachel Maddow a week.

That’s the thing, they had just enough detail and just enough wrong to be believable, having been the victim and through burn support organizations hearing way to many victim statements these guys just ring true. A cop friend once said I was as good at reading people as anybody because of the years of selling. I wanted to believe Smollett, I want to believe the Jackson family but like R Kelley, something seams faked forced the emotional reaction is just on the wrong beat.