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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 1, 2014 16:31:19 GMT -6
scumbum MO, I have hd280's, sound good, my old AKG parabolics sound better to me, my digi002 headphone out was unusable pre FM002 bla mod, post mod it kills..
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Post by mobeach on Sept 1, 2014 16:43:29 GMT -6
I prefer the K-240's when simply listening to music but it gives me a false image of the bass I believe, they make me think there's more bass in the mix than there actually is.
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Post by donr on Sept 1, 2014 23:51:06 GMT -6
I downloaded the demo of the redline, it's different than just headphones, but it doesn't offer room ambience. Still liking the beyerdynamic plug-in, which is convenient because it's easy to turn on and off to check your mix from another perspective. north-america.beyerdynamic.com/virtual-studio/Heres a video testing out the Beyerdynamic Virtual Studio . The only useful preset of this beyerdynamic plug-in is the stereo one. The 5.1 may or not be useful I don't know, the 'car stereo' sounded like no car I've ever been in, and no car stereo I've ever heard, and the arena PA preset had no use for me as any kind of reference. But the stereo one does have value. I'm wishing some established or new developer would come up with a demonstrably useful version of this concept. I've made some bass eq decisions on headphones on the road based on the stereo preset of this plug that have translated with satisfaction into the world. But I want more. I think the Focusrite VRM and the beyerdynamic Virtual Studio are only forays into what's possible in today's modeling environment. I want more. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 6:51:27 GMT -6
I get weirded out by headphones, I hear too much verb and delay and start pulling stuff like that back. I find it a bit frustrating but I've never tried working on a higher end pair so I can't say for sure.
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Post by svart on Sept 2, 2014 6:53:20 GMT -6
Nope. I mix with monitors then do checks on my work computer with 1$ ear buds because that's where I listen to the most music.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 7:13:49 GMT -6
Reg. the Sennheiser software...:
I guess Sennheiser has some patents in the drawer.
Since the 80s they experimented with this for sure, my Sennheisers (HD250 linear) already used to be diffuse field equalized, which is the same in principle, readily available in the headphone's own frequency response curve. Also, every HP of them i tried since seems to me like at least a bit hyped in the bass and highs.
Now, that they just bought the Neumann brand and stuck it on the Klein&Hummel technology, with all the speakers to establish, i would be very surprised if they would throw a commercial version of such a software into the market. Which most probably would be an easy thing to do for them.
I really get ear fatigues very easily when listening to other headphones than mine.
One of my theories is, that nobody of the younger generation seems to buy or listen to full albums anymore (well, not nobody...) because of exact the one problem, headphones/earbuds, that are unconvenient to wear, cause a feeling of bringing the music too intense into the ear, cause ear fatigue, are generally much too loud in almost every case, are too heavy on bass....and please, think about those "beatz" §%&...
It is exhausting to overload your sense of hearing for longer time like this. Psychically, and, not to forget, it causes real hear damage, physically.
So they listen to a song, write an SMS, check facebook, and maybe then, listen to another song etc.pp.....
Sign of the times....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 7:25:16 GMT -6
Hm. What the heck...if the majority of customers listens to music with earbuds...why not mixing the diffuse field eq directly into the product to bring people to the point where it is much more enjoyable to listen for longer time...and buy whole albums again. Or...an additional "earbuds" version...? Just ranting.....  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 2, 2014 8:44:20 GMT -6
I use headphones at night while my wife's asleep in the next room. I use it to do things like comps, automations, a little bit of basic levels, check the bass in cans, then I always go back to speakers for finals. They're great tools for the editing aspects of mixing, and it does make sees to check the sound on earbuds too.
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Post by donr on Sept 2, 2014 10:15:48 GMT -6
Getting off topic, but Martin, I think the CD killed people listening to 'albums.' Once artists starting putting 60, 70 or 80 minutes of music on a disk, they lost me. I can't listen to 75 minutes of anyone. When LP album sides were 15-20 minutes, then you got up to turn it over, that could be a quite enjoyable and digestible listening experience.
If today's artists made albums that were only 36 minutes long, all in, I can handle that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:49:11 GMT -6
Well, donr, i listened to double albums like Miles' "Bitches Brew" completely on LP, and most of the people of today can *somehow* follow a full hollywood movie with overlength...but ok, yes, you had to turn LP over, right, and music is something different, as is reading a book....point taken... |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 2, 2014 20:55:24 GMT -6
I'm more curious about the effect of tracking with headphones. I've been getting a little too close to the mic these days because I like that old Neumann Chris Isaak/Bryan Ferry sound, but I think it's the headphones making me compensate by using the proximity effect.
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Post by donr on Sept 3, 2014 10:11:55 GMT -6
Well, donr, i listened to double albums like Miles' "Bitches Brew" completely on LP, and most of the people of today can *somehow* follow a full hollywood movie with overlength...but ok, yes, you had to turn LP over, right, and music is something different, as is reading a book....point taken... Of course live shows can run two hours and you'd still be entertained. But can you think of any Compact Disk in the last decade or two you regularly listen to in its entirety? I can't. |
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Post by donr on Sept 3, 2014 10:14:40 GMT -6
Speaking of headphones, I just got an email from Blue about these. Headphones with built-in amp. They look cool, too. mofiheadphones.com |
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Post by matt on Sept 3, 2014 10:41:43 GMT -6
Speaking of headphones, I just got an email from Blue about these. Headphones with built-in amp. They look cool, too. mofiheadphones.com$349.99 at Amazon. Interesting concept. |
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Post by watchtower on Sept 3, 2014 11:47:15 GMT -6
I actually love mixing on my Shure SRH940s. They are very open, and have fantastic (i.e. neutral, not exaggerated) bass. If these headphones were a little more durable (the headband is made of plastic), I think they would be the perfect cans. Of course, I also mix on my HS80Ms.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 3, 2014 12:19:47 GMT -6
Well, donr, i listened to double albums like Miles' "Bitches Brew" completely on LP, and most of the people of today can *somehow* follow a full hollywood movie with overlength...but ok, yes, you had to turn LP over, right, and music is something different, as is reading a book....point taken... Of course live shows can run two hours and you'd still be entertained. But can you think of any Compact Disk in the last decade or two you regularly listen to in its entirety? I can't. i agree with you 100% donr, the only record i can listen 2 all the way through on cd(headphones or not) is abby road(which is a must at least a few time per year 8), but vinyl(is what you're alluding too?) is totally non fatiguing. That said, i've never listened to a SCD or HD cd of abby so...? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 3, 2014 12:34:52 GMT -6
Time out, all you old guys (I keed, I keed) don't listen to full albums, but my 30 year old self does all the time? Maybe it's because I sit in an office all day, but I've always got tunes running.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 3, 2014 13:43:51 GMT -6
I always listen to at least one full side, and usually turn it over if time permits. The connection felt listening to vinyl hasn't been equaled yet.
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Post by scumbum on Sept 3, 2014 16:11:17 GMT -6
Speaking of headphones, I just got an email from Blue about these. Headphones with built-in amp. They look cool, too. mofiheadphones.comThats a really good idea . I'm gonna check them out . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 9:04:41 GMT -6
At least i remember i listened to all Radiohead, Beck and Massive Attack completely through on cd for a few times, but most probably i am not the average guy...
Most albums that i get for listening, i really do not listen in one go. That is certainly true. Maybe i am a more critical listener nowadays?
The Mofiheadphones is an interesting concept, active headphones. Not that cheap.... i would like to read reviews on them...
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Post by donr on Sept 4, 2014 9:46:18 GMT -6
In the LP era, the assumption for song royalty purposes was 5 ≃ 3 minute songs per side, 10 songs total. You wouldn't be paid extra if you put the 11th song on the record. Of course in the heyday of album rock, songs were longer, and fewer. I believe you divided the 10 song rate by how ever many cuts you had.
I have no trouble going back and listening to old favorites as whole albums on spotify, especially if I'm on a road trip. But the biggest factor is those records are never more than 40 minutes total, usually less. Three recent pleasures, Grateful Dead "Anthem Of the Sun," Youngbloods "The Youngbloods," Joe Jackson "Look Sharp." All great records.
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