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Post by stormymondays on Feb 8, 2019 12:38:36 GMT -6
I recently got a Bricasti M7 after using Liquidsonic's Seventh Heaven Pro for a few months. Yes, my favorite reverb plugin is surpassed by the hardware, as both Liquidsonic and Bricasti will attest :-) Those of you with hardware units - how do you decide which tracks get the hardware M7 vs other plugins or (lesser) units? Do you use a plugin for the other tracks that would also benefit from the Bricasti? Do you print reverbs to free up the hardware? I'm sending all my tracks to Studio B Close as a standard modus operandi. It's amazing how much it can improve the sonics of my room. For my current mix (the first one with the hardware) I'm dedicating it to this function. However, it would also make sense to use the hardware for the vocal reverb, since it's the most important track! In both cases it's not easy to print the reverb. Hmm... once all the automations of the vocal are done, I guess I could use the hardware on it, print it, and then put it back in the "room" spot. Sunset Chamber is a firm favorite here by the way! What do you use? Any fav presets? EDIT for clarity: no, I'm not putting reverb inserts on tracks - it's always on an aux send.  |
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Post by drbill on Feb 8, 2019 13:08:00 GMT -6
I never put it on "an instrument". I put it on a aux return and feed that from whatever tracks I feel will benefit from the awesomeness of the M7. Standard M/O for working on a mixing console environment.
BTW, Studio a is awesome to run an entire mix thru during mastering. Can REALLY bring things to life.
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 8, 2019 13:13:53 GMT -6
I never put it on "an instrument". I put it on a aux return and feed that from whatever tracks I feel will benefit from the awesomeness of the M7. Standard M/O for working on a mixing console environment. So do I! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 8, 2019 13:15:44 GMT -6
Im with the doctor.
I don't usually use a bunch of reverbs. Just mix into the reverb.
There are exceptions to this for me where I'll use a plugin on the drums to shape the tone a bit different. But usually, just all goes to the M7.
I'll also admit...i have 3 m7s...so I have used two in non surround mix.
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Post by svart on Feb 8, 2019 13:18:42 GMT -6
I would certainly use it on "whole mix" type things, as in feed it a bit of everything from sends just to make everything sound like it's tracked in a nice studio that nobody can afford anymore.
I use IR's of the M7 on all kinds of stuff. Snare plate A and B on snare of course.. Even though they're just IRs, they still sound great.
Studio A and B(close and far) and some of the ambience profiles are favorites for "whole mix".
One day I'll get the hardware for sure.
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 8, 2019 13:28:11 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies! I edited my original post a bit to clarify the intended usage. As you all seem to do, I'm sending mostly everything to the Bricasti so it acts as the studio room sound. I guess I need to do some real tests against the IRs and decide whether it's best to send everything to the hardware, print the hardware for some key tracks, or use IRs on lesser tracks. I'm taking notes of everyone's favorite presets by the way! |
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Post by mikec on Feb 8, 2019 13:29:55 GMT -6
My M7 also stays permantly on an aux so I can send as much as what ever track I want to it. I find studio B works great for a good room sound. Lately I’ve been trying the Waits Room setting and really like it.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 8, 2019 13:49:15 GMT -6
I recently got a Bricasti M7 after using Liquidsonic's Seventh Heaven Pro for a few months. Yes, my favorite reverb plugin is surpassed by the hardware, as both Liquidsonic and Bricasti will attest :-) Those of you with hardware units - how do you decide which tracks get the hardware? Do you use a plugin for the other tracks that would also benefit from the Bricasti? Do you print reverbs to free up the hardware? I'm sending all my tracks to Studio B Close as a standard modus operandi. It's amazing how much it can improve the sonics of my room. For my current mix (the first one with the hardware) I'm dedicating it to this function. However, it would also make sense to use the hardware for the vocal reverb, since it's the most important track! In both cases it's not easy to print the reverb. Hmm... once all the automations of the vocal are done, I guess I could use the hardware on it, print it, and then put it back in the "room" spot. Sunset Chamber is a firm favorite here by the way! What do you use? Any fav presets? I don't assign reverb to tracks - I almost always assign reverb to a buss. Then whatever needs it gets sent to that buss. Same thing with echo/delay. |
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 8, 2019 13:58:13 GMT -6
I don't assign reverb to tracks - I almost always assign reverb to a buss. Then whatever needs it gets sent to that buss. Same thing with echo/delay. I must have done a terrible job of writing my post, since it's at least the second time I get this comment... I don't think I've ever put a reverb ON a track in my whole life Even if I was mixing a song with only one track, I would put any reverb and echo on aux tracks. Hey, I'm 43! My first recordings were on a Tascam Porta ONE.  |
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 8, 2019 14:07:07 GMT -6
I don't assign reverb to tracks - I almost always assign reverb to a buss. Then whatever needs it gets sent to that buss. Same thing with echo/delay. I must have done a terrible job of writing my post, since it's at least the second time I get this comment... I don't think I've ever put a reverb ON a track in my whole life Even if I was mixing a song with only one track, I would put any reverb and echo on aux tracks. Hey, I'm 43! My first recordings were on a Tascam Porta ONE. <chuckle> Technically, my first recording was on my dad's Presto portable disk lathe. I said "Micwafone!". The first time I hit record myself was a few years later on my dad's Concord mono reel-to-reel when I was about 7, maybe 8. Within about a year I'd pretty much taken over the recorder. |
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Post by nnajar on Feb 8, 2019 15:19:04 GMT -6
The answer is that you need a second bricasti.
I am fortunate in that my tracking rooms sound good, so I get my room sound with mic distance. Anything that needs reverb for size or weight gets the bricasti. I do mostly very acoustic music around here so even though the lex random hall still sees a bit of use, most reverb comes from the M7 these days. And because of how it sounds, you can often use one program on the M7 in varying degrees where in the past you needed to use 2 or 3 different programs of other reverbs. But for the most part, the M7 here is being used as if it was a plate sitting in a room out back. My favorites are London plate or silver plate if I want something a little brighter. Tweak decay time and pre delay to taste.
I am super happy still to use eventide stereo room and the lex pcm on electric things, synths, artificial productions, etc... but for most of the stuff around here, those other reverbs sounded fine in the past, but the M7 makes you not want to use them for those purposes anymore....
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Post by swurveman on Feb 8, 2019 15:34:02 GMT -6
I owned a Bricasti and I found that I needed different kinds of reverbs and plates for different sources. Rooms for guitars, a snare plate, room for overheads, plate for vocal etc. If you use reverb a lot- but need different kinds on different sources- unless you're comfortable printing the reverb for each source- which takes time and knowledge of how they're gonna gel once you finally want to put them all together- one Bricasti is not enough. It's a great reverb, but it does come with a learning curve trying to understand how everything is gonna finally gel with all the printed reverb and patience with the real time printing time if you're gonna get the most of it.
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Post by Darren Boling on Feb 8, 2019 17:06:32 GMT -6
I also like Studio B and Waits room. Used the chambers a lot when I first got it but now it's mostly one of the rooms. I didn't see it mentioned so apologies if it was but you should really check out the Exponential Audio Bricasti M7 Control plugin, makes tweaks a breeze as well as recalls.
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Post by wiz on Feb 8, 2019 17:17:45 GMT -6
Same as most here, put it on a aux, and EVERTYTHING goes to it in varying amounts.
Sometimes on a lead guitar solo, I will print the M7 to a track, one song I know I did that is this one.
The guitar solo, is a printed M7 everything else is an aux send to a different probram
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by drbill on Feb 8, 2019 17:55:00 GMT -6
I don't assign reverb to tracks - I almost always assign reverb to a buss. Then whatever needs it gets sent to that buss. Same thing with echo/delay. I must have done a terrible job of writing my post, since it's at least the second time I get this comment... You must have. LOL I use the M7 for the "glue" of the essential room sound of a mix. Be it a studio, a larger room, a plate or whatever is appropriate. (Unless it's a large hall - like for orch - in which case I usually head towards a Lexicon). THEN, after I get that dialed, I'll go and add specialty plates, chambers or whatever for individual sounds. But the M7 is usually the essence of the "basic" sound. Usually only one instance in a mix. I'll never "print" verb stems. I've got enough other plugs and hardware that I'll find something else for the secondary sounds. |
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 9, 2019 7:30:14 GMT -6
I must have done a terrible job of writing my post, since it's at least the second time I get this comment... You must have. LOL I use the M7 for the "glue" of the essential room sound of a mix. Be it a studio, a larger room, a plate or whatever is appropriate. (Unless it's a large hall - like for orch - in which case I usually head towards a Lexicon). THEN, after I get that dialed, I'll go and add specialty plates, chambers or whatever for individual sounds. But the M7 is usually the essence of the "basic" sound. Usually only one instance in a mix. I'll never "print" verb stems. I've got enough other plugs and hardware that I'll find something else for the secondary sounds. +1 |
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 9, 2019 8:08:42 GMT -6
I recently got a Bricasti M7 after using Liquidsonic's Seventh Heaven Pro for a few months. Yes, my favorite reverb plugin is surpassed by the hardware, as both Liquidsonic and Bricasti will attest :-) Those of you with hardware units - how do you decide which tracks get the hardware M7 vs other plugins or (lesser) units? Do you use a plugin for the other tracks that would also benefit from the Bricasti? Do you print reverbs to free up the hardware? I'm sending all my tracks to Studio B Close as a standard modus operandi. It's amazing how much it can improve the sonics of my room. For my current mix (the first one with the hardware) I'm dedicating it to this function. However, it would also make sense to use the hardware for the vocal reverb, since it's the most important track! In both cases it's not easy to print the reverb. Hmm... once all the automations of the vocal are done, I guess I could use the hardware on it, print it, and then put it back in the "room" spot. Sunset Chamber is a firm favorite here by the way! What do you use? Any fav presets? EDIT for clarity: no, I'm not putting reverb inserts on tracks - it's always on an aux send. I struggle with the same thing. I want to use my $3k reverb for more than just one sound, but I’ve only got one box. So, it’s been rooms for me, trying to compensate for not having a great space. But other than printing, I don’t know a way around it. Buying another Bricasti is not going to happen. I can’t afford the one I have. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 9, 2019 10:09:15 GMT -6
You definitely need another Bricasti...argh! I struggle with the same thing, I didn’t know I would want another one after that painful purchase of one...argh! I use mine on Vox and Drums mostly. I also use the rooms. I’m still experimenting. Planning on doing another room, but ran into some issues and it’s going to cost more than I expected. Bummer...I need more resources!
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 12, 2019 9:40:29 GMT -6
Since two Bricastis are out of the question (financially and I/O-wise) I ended up doing this: I sent everything that needed room space to the Bricasti, set to Studio B Close. Used a few specialty reverbs here and there (snare, guitar), all with Liquidsonics 7th heaven. Once my vocal automation was done, I put in 7th H as a stand-in for the Bricasti, chose the vocal reverb I liked best (happened to be Cristal Plate), and printed it. Undid the last few steps and voila! Hardware Bricasti on the most important tracks. Took all of ten minutes. |
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Post by b0b0 on Oct 24, 2022 17:35:11 GMT -6
Since two Bricastis are out of the question (financially and I/O-wise) I ended up doing this: I sent everything that needed room space to the Bricasti, set to Studio B Close. Used a few specialty reverbs here and there (snare, guitar), all with Liquidsonics 7th heaven. Once my vocal automation was done, I put in 7th H as a stand-in for the Bricasti, chose the vocal reverb I liked best (happened to be Cristal Plate), and printed it. Undid the last few steps and voila! Hardware Bricasti on the most important tracks. Took all of ten minutes. Old thread, I know - but topics for my current rat hole Curious to know … when you mix this way, do you mix your specialized mixes into the room verb as well? Ie the vocal verb out is sent to the room? Orrrr just all verbs go separately to the main out (or sub mix)? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2022 18:37:48 GMT -6
Good question.
Btw - I’m sure it’s one of those “you just have to try it” things…but is it really THAT much better than the (a) plug?
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2022 20:02:40 GMT -6
Since two Bricastis are out of the question (financially and I/O-wise) I ended up doing this: I sent everything that needed room space to the Bricasti, set to Studio B Close. Used a few specialty reverbs here and there (snare, guitar), all with Liquidsonics 7th heaven. Once my vocal automation was done, I put in 7th H as a stand-in for the Bricasti, chose the vocal reverb I liked best (happened to be Cristal Plate), and printed it. Undid the last few steps and voila! Hardware Bricasti on the most important tracks. Took all of ten minutes. Old thread, I know - but topics for my current rat hole Curious to know … when you mix this way, do you mix your specialized mixes into the room verb as well? Ie the vocal verb out is sent to the room? Orrrr just all verbs go separately to the main out (or sub mix)? OK your question brings back old day feelings about what most console manufacturers referred to as effects returns or as we called them useless inputs. Having access to the matrix of sends gave the ability to layer reverbs and effects. This was a big boy revoltation if you were going to use multiple verbs for a bit of character you could make it fit into your main verb to create an environment. The other benefit was being able to EQ the return and if you needed to use a ch to EQ the send. Sure most boxes had that ability built in but it was a pain in the ass, much easier to grab some knobs. |
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Post by seawell on Oct 24, 2022 20:15:37 GMT -6
Good question. Btw - I’m sure it’s one of those “you just have to try it” things…but is it really THAT much better than the (a) plug? It is unfortunately. I still sold mine because it’s so much money to have tied up in one reverb but it smokes Seventh Heaven head to head 😫 I settled on a PCM 70, 80 & 91, I’m happy but would love to have a Bricasti again one day. |
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Post by bentley on Oct 24, 2022 21:28:45 GMT -6
Good question. Btw - I’m sure it’s one of those “you just have to try it” things…but is it really THAT much better than the (a) plug?  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2022 8:47:30 GMT -6
Good question. Btw - I’m sure it’s one of those “you just have to try it” things…but is it really THAT much better than the (a) plug? It is unfortunately. I still sold mine because it’s so much money to have tied up in one reverb but it smokes Seventh Heaven head to head 😫 I settled on a PCM 70, 80 & 91, I’m happy but would love to have a Bricasti again one day. I know it’s a question that gets asked over and over and over, but I’ve wondered if I shouldn’t buy a dedicated HW unit for vocals. Like am I going to like that better than the SW plates I currently mostly use? |
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