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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 6, 2019 2:15:51 GMT -6
Thx, appreciate your comment and the mike. I was hopeful it would be and all 3 takes are my first 30 minutes after just throwing the mike up. I am looking forward to getting to know it better and play around with settings ( tone button), angles and distance: you all know the deal. For me, I’d say it’s Bryce’s best mike yet and make’s me more curious about the wa-84:)
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 9, 2019 23:50:55 GMT -6
Cool shout out. I thought the FleA 12 was a standout on this one. The FleA 47 is smoother, but I expected that.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2019 1:20:13 GMT -6
And the Flea12 is only $4700 usd.
When I made my studio 939 diy c12 with a Campbell cap and good nos ge tube, I think all in I was around $1200 usd.
I know people rave about the flea quality but the mark up sure adds to the costs but I guess that’s true of all high end gear? I have never read one negative review of a Flea, they must be pretty sweet mikes, if you have the budget.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 10, 2019 7:56:47 GMT -6
Well, I guess it’s better than Telefunken’s C12 at 9k. Lol. In truth, that Capsule is a huge part of the sound. I believe FleA makes all of the other parts themselves.; transformer, body kit, etc. If you have the ability to DIY you will always be better off.
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Post by ragan on Feb 10, 2019 10:23:54 GMT -6
That's a cool way to do a shootout. Concise, to the point, gets to the audio (in various arrangements) quickly and without a lot of yammering.
The Fleas do sound better but, boy, this sure does make the case for diminishing returns.
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Post by M57 on Feb 10, 2019 10:53:39 GMT -6
In my experience and as a general rule, the last 5% of improvement at least doubles the cost and the last 1-2% at least doubles it again. To my ear, this stretches the rule a bit. I'm thinking you're paying 4-5 times the cost of the Warm for that last 1-2% The Warm 47 was a bit tighter than the Flea 47, while the 251 was a tad more strident than its counterpart. I'm totally OK with that given my budget.
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Post by donr on Feb 10, 2019 11:01:21 GMT -6
I thought the WARMs were fine for the guitar, on the vocal, the Fleas did sound more expensive.
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Post by deehope on Feb 10, 2019 14:07:23 GMT -6
Has shannon got his hands on a wa251 yet?
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Post by Ward on Feb 10, 2019 14:27:15 GMT -6
Nice comparisons. No baseline to judge fro however, and a T-Funk 251 or AKG C12 and a Neumann U47 would all really help here. Also . . . I have the funny feeling that mdmitch2 's and Eric's Heisermann 47 Tube is going to be an outstanding contender in this also!
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Post by winetree on Feb 10, 2019 14:30:37 GMT -6
And the Flea12 is only $4700 usd. When I made my studio 939 diy c12 with a Campbell cap and good nos ge tube, I think all in I was around $1200 usd. I know people rave about the flea quality but the mark up sure adds to the costs but I guess that’s true of all high end gear? I have never read one negative review of a Flea, they must be pretty sweet mikes, if you have the budget. I agree. I've built multiple clones of each, 47, C12. 251, m49, 67, 87, 269 with the best of the best of every part, including cables, binders, and Power supplies, at around that $1200. mark. I can see paying around 2-2.5K for some mics but when it comes to 5-10K ouch. I've looked inside new Telefunken mics and they aren't using better and even lesser quality parts then my clones. My 4 - 84 clones have original Haufe BV-107 transformers at less than $300.00 each and have been compared to real 84s with no discernible sound difference. I'm fortunate to be able to D.I.Y.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 10, 2019 14:40:04 GMT -6
In my experience of a C12 mic- the Peluso P12- I wouldn't pay $100.00 for that mic. Ever since then, I've looked at all C12 mics with a very skeptical eye. I have a 47 clone- the 2247SE- and that is useable, but it's nowhere near what I'd call a mic that is lacking the last 1-2% range of the real thing. All these mics pretending to be something else: I wish there was a law against it. It is unfair imo to be able to associate them with the great mics. It lends itself to a false equivalence.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 10, 2019 16:14:35 GMT -6
In my experience of a C12 mic- the Peluso P12- I wouldn't pay $100.00 for that mic. Ever since then, I've looked at all C12 mics with a very skeptical eye. I have a 47 clone- the 2247SE- and that is useable, but it's nowhere near what I'd call a mic that is lacking the last 1-2% range of the real thing. All these mics pretending to be something else: I wish there was a law against it. It is unfair imo to be able to associate them with the great mics. It lends itself to a false equivalence. Trust me when I say the mics from FleA are in a completely different league than those Peluso’s. The Warm’s probably not. Unfortunately patents expire.
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Post by jakeharris on Feb 11, 2019 12:19:58 GMT -6
My 4 - 84 clones have original Haufe BV-107 transformers at less than $300.00 each and have been compared to real 84s with no discernible sound difference. Are those the Banzai kits from Groupdiy?
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Post by mcirish on Feb 11, 2019 15:46:02 GMT -6
And the Flea12 is only $4700 usd. When I made my studio 939 diy c12 with a Campbell cap and good nos ge tube, I think all in I was around $1200 usd. I know people rave about the flea quality but the mark up sure adds to the costs but I guess that’s true of all high end gear? I have never read one negative review of a Flea, they must be pretty sweet mikes, if you have the budget. I agree. I've built multiple clones of each, 47, C12. 251, m49, 67, 87, 269 with the best of the best of every part, including cables, binders, and Power supplies, at around that $1200. mark. I can see paying around 2-2.5K for some mics but when it comes to 5-10K ouch. I've looked inside new Telefunken mics and they aren't using better and even lesser quality parts then my clones. My 4 - 84 clones have original Haufe BV-107 transformers at less than $300.00 each and have been compared to real 84s with no discernible sound difference. I'm fortunate to be able to D.I.Y. Probably for another thread but I'm curious about your KM84 clones. Did you start with some other SDC and modify it or did you start from scratch?
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Post by winetree on Feb 11, 2019 20:49:53 GMT -6
My 4 - 84 clones have original Haufe BV-107 transformers at less than $300.00 each and have been compared to real 84s with no discernible sound difference. Are those the Banzai kits from Groupdiy? YES, groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=68360.0There was a group buy for the Haufe BV-107 Transformers. Waited almost a year for transformers because the factory had to get the old machine going again. Current wait for a second round, 1 year.
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WA-251
Feb 12, 2019 16:00:00 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 12, 2019 16:00:00 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on Feb 12, 2019 16:22:04 GMT -6
That did not suck! Preferences aside, it sounded pretty good on the nylon stringed acoustic.
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Post by iamasound on Feb 13, 2019 1:58:20 GMT -6
Yuppers, that was a very informative shootout, but unfortunately these daze my dog can't afford no Fleas.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 14, 2019 12:29:25 GMT -6
Well, I guess it’s better than Telefunken’s C12 at 9k. Lol. In truth, that Capsule is a huge part of the sound. I believe FleA makes all of the other parts themselves.; transformer, body kit, etc. If you have the ability to DIY you will always be better off. Wonder what the Upton C12 sounds like?
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WA-251
Feb 21, 2019 8:38:13 GMT -6
Post by matt on Feb 21, 2019 8:38:13 GMT -6
Everybody still liking this mic? Considering one, primarily for acoustic instruments.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 21, 2019 10:53:17 GMT -6
Yes there is a pro tools expert video on acoustic and nylon guitar.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 21, 2019 12:04:00 GMT -6
Everybody still liking this mic? Considering one, primarily for acoustic instruments. For the money, absolutely. You have to make a significant financial jump before you can do better; ie Upton, Bock, Tele, etc. Warm has been pretty good about taming the high ends of their clones so you don’t get the brittle top end you might find in a Peluso or the like. But it still doesn’t have the warmth of one of the higher end mics.
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WA-251
Feb 21, 2019 12:55:22 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 21, 2019 12:55:22 GMT -6
Roll the tube You'll get there !
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WA-251
Feb 21, 2019 17:22:49 GMT -6
Post by Vincent R. on Feb 21, 2019 17:22:49 GMT -6
Roll the tube You'll get there ! ??
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WA-251
Feb 21, 2019 17:30:34 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Feb 21, 2019 17:30:34 GMT -6
Roll the tube You'll get there ! On this subject, does/can a capsule play a role in perceived warmth? I'm inclined to think the perception of warmth would mostly come from the circuit/tube rather than the capsule, but I'm no expert on these matters. If the answer is that the capsule plays a minimal role, then it would seem that it mostly comes down to the circuit and/or tube, in which case mods to certain parts of the circuit/tube in the WA-251 might really be able to get it a lot closer to the real deal. I know I've seen some recent chatter about using a PIO (paper in oil) cap as a replacement in the WA-251 to get closer to the sound of the original. Mods like this might be an interesting prospect.
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