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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2019 6:41:46 GMT -6
As Joshua releases teasers about new offerings, thought we could discuss here ?
For example, FB pic yesterday of dual channel 19 inch box but stuffed with a 2a and 3a.
Interesting idea : 2 opto comps, one with solid state in one box.
I presume they can be run in series or separately? For stereo you need 2 boxes?
For those of us experiencing long delays, Josh offered discounts on new orders.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out !
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Post by lcr on Jan 4, 2019 6:52:16 GMT -6
I hope these new products released after the ADG’s dont delay the ADG’s like the ADG’s delayed the 1073 EQ which was relased prior to ADG’s. I find it interesting how Stam states new products dont delay current ones when this is exactly what happened to the 1073EQ.
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Post by pope on Jan 4, 2019 6:55:29 GMT -6
They will probably need recapping by the time these arrive to the customers! Just kidding...
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2019 7:11:11 GMT -6
I was hoping we could try to keep the politics/vitriol out of this thread and just talk about the proposed gear,but, of course, I do understand the frustrations as I experience them too.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2019 11:03:24 GMT -6
I think people who have delayed orders can email stam about this for next purchase: Joshua can you tell us how people negotiate the discounts?
Thx !
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2019 11:07:02 GMT -6
xxxx
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Post by jtc111 on Jan 4, 2019 11:50:41 GMT -6
This isn’t meant to be negative - didn’t STAM say he was “going retail” and ending direct sales/pre orders? Presumably all of these new things would then only be available via retailers? I wasn’t ever offered any discount (may not have cancelled my ADG if I was) but how is he going to apply these promised discounts if he’s not doing the selling? Yes, he did say that, and I'm pretty sure he said it would happen by this past September. Perhaps it's still August in Chile. Going full retail would reassign the handling of delivery delay complaints to the retailers involved so I can see why the move is attractive from Josh's standpoint. How long retailers would put up with the heap of complaints with which they'd have to deal (including disappointing and possibly alienating customers who may blame the dealer rather than Stam)... who knows? I wasn't offered any discounts either but it wouldn't have influenced my decision to bail. I've no doubt there's going to be some confusion about discounts and other pricing issues. I had ordered an upgraded 67 at the time when there was only one upgrade option. At some point between the time I ordered and the time I cancelled, three upgrade options appeared on the website. The price I was paying aligned with the highest upgrade price on the website so for a while I assumed that was the upgrade I'd get in the end. Some posts by others made me think I should get some verification and that's when I was told I was getting the lowest upgrade from the website. That wasn't the only reason I bailed but I was done being disappointed by him at that point and I got out. Thankfully, the refund came quickly.
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Post by jtc111 on Jan 4, 2019 11:51:56 GMT -6
Is "xxxx" the expected delivery year?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 4, 2019 12:32:15 GMT -6
That's actually really cool.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -6
My reference to negotiating a discount stems from Joshua's post yesterday in the Schedule thread. Seems to me, it clearly refers to new orders not the past. yesterday at 11:57am Johnkenn, kcatthedog, and 2 more like this
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Post by stam on yesterday at 11:57am
Hello Everyone,
Happy 2019
We are building 40 SA76 ADG as we speak and they will go out in a few weeks
We are currently also making 200 pieces of the SA87, 50 fet 47 and 50 SA67 to finish the back orders
We have a few new products that will be up this week with a generous discount for people affected with delays
Thanks!!
Josh
Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/9329/stam-delivery-update-thread#ixzz5bfU1fuHtAs Joshua releases new products, those of us who have experienced delays have the opportunity to negotiate a discount. With respect I really feel we have more than beaten the problems with stam horse to death and I would really prefer that we don't restart that whole conversation here. I hope this thread can focus on talking about the new releases and what we like or dislike about them.
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Post by lcr on Jan 4, 2019 13:26:40 GMT -6
Am I allowed to talk about hot sauce? I like hot sauce.
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Post by hadaja on Jan 4, 2019 13:59:11 GMT -6
Prototypte: Does this say a redd series 500 preamp?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2019 14:46:57 GMT -6
Am I allowed to talk about hot sauce? I like hot sauce. Of course, as long as it doesn't ship from chile !
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Post by ericn on Jan 4, 2019 14:58:13 GMT -6
If it is I see a cease and desist letter in Stam’s Future! Best way ever to make Orders never ship, get in to a legal fight with EMI!
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Post by Quint on Jan 4, 2019 17:45:24 GMT -6
Now that's a cool concept.
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Post by drbill on Jan 4, 2019 19:08:14 GMT -6
Sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me - any more the putting a 2a and 1176 in one box or a DBX and an 1176 in one box. I have great 2a's and 3a's and I use them all the time - but for different things. I don't get the correlation of putting both in one box and switching between other than they were both Urei's and both ended in a's. Or that one was the descendant of the other. I use em for two different things, and I generally need both during a mix. Which would necessitate I buy more of the above. Which would (presumably) cost more for the dual architecture, and almost certainly be sub standard in terms of design. There's a lot of **** in those things, and they don't all share components easily. I guess my mindset just doesn't line up.... If I need a 2a AND a 3a - simultaneously for mixing - I'd have to buy two and the internal architecture is wasted on extra parts I don't need. I suppose for the guy only needing one....
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Post by ericn on Jan 4, 2019 19:34:15 GMT -6
Sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me - any more the putting a 2a and 1176 in one box or a DBX and an 1176 in one box. I have great 2a's and 3a's and I use them all the time - but for different things. I don't get the correlation of putting both in one box and switching between other than they were both Urei's and both ended in a's. Or that one was the descendant of the other. I use em for two different things, and I generally need both during a mix. Which would necessitate I buy more of the above. Which would (presumably) cost more for the dual architecture, and almost certainly be sub standard in terms of design. There's a lot of **** in those things, and they don't all share components easily. I guess my mindset just doesn't line up.... If I need a 2a AND a 3a - simultaneously for mixing - I'd have to buy two and the internal architecture is wasted on extra parts I don't need. I suppose for the guy only needing one.... Yeah I was of that mindset as well.
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Post by 000 on Jan 4, 2019 19:46:10 GMT -6
Sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me - any more the putting a 2a and 1176 in one box or a DBX and an 1176 in one box. I have great 2a's and 3a's and I use them all the time - but for different things. I don't get the correlation of putting both in one box and switching between other than they were both Urei's and both ended in a's. Or that one was the descendant of the other. I use em for two different things, and I generally need both during a mix. Which would necessitate I buy more of the above. Which would (presumably) cost more for the dual architecture, and almost certainly be sub standard in terms of design. There's a lot of **** in those things, and they don't all share components easily. I guess my mindset just doesn't line up.... If I need a 2a AND a 3a - simultaneously for mixing - I'd have to buy two and the internal architecture is wasted on extra parts I don't need. I suppose for the guy only needing one.... If you need two - just buy two! If you need two of each - just buy four!. They’re “either/or” - and there are plenty pieces of gear that have more than just 1 “great” setting. I don’t see the problem here? As far as the circuits go - Stams sound quality speaks for itself. The 1073MPA mkii sounds incredible over here. So even if the design isn’t exactly the same as some arbitrary vintage original - this will still be an impressive sounding unit.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2019 19:48:17 GMT -6
Personally, I'd rather have separate units, dual 2a and dual 3a, but perhaps people have asked him for this ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 4, 2019 19:55:43 GMT -6
Sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me - any more the putting a 2a and 1176 in one box or a DBX and an 1176 in one box. I have great 2a's and 3a's and I use them all the time - but for different things. I don't get the correlation of putting both in one box and switching between other than they were both Urei's and both ended in a's. Or that one was the descendant of the other. I use em for two different things, and I generally need both during a mix. Which would necessitate I buy more of the above. Which would (presumably) cost more for the dual architecture, and almost certainly be sub standard in terms of design. There's a lot of **** in those things, and they don't all share components easily. I guess my mindset just doesn't line up.... If I need a 2a AND a 3a - simultaneously for mixing - I'd have to buy two and the internal architecture is wasted on extra parts I don't need. I suppose for the guy only needing one.... That doesn’t really make sense...if you buy one LA2A, you have one LA2A. If you buy this, you get the option. If you need two, you buy two.
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Post by winetree on Jan 4, 2019 20:04:17 GMT -6
This isn’t meant to be negative - didn’t STAM say he was “going retail” and ending direct sales/pre orders? Presumably all of these new things would then only be available via retailers? I wasn’t ever offered any discount (may not have cancelled my ADG if I was) but how is he going to apply these promised discounts if he’s not doing the selling? A combo LA2A/3A seems like a cool idea - I deleted my FB recently any chance you’d post a screen grab? If Stam were to go retail, he'd have to pay for all his inventory, build it, ship it to a dealer, wait for it to sell, and wait for his money. With the current business model, He collects money up front right away and pays for everything with "the customer's money". His quote. That way he gets the money, and we wait for the product. When you need more money just advertise a new pre-order product. I think there's a name for that business model. I've bought 2 Stam LA2a, and then he came out with the updated version before I got mine, and 2 - sa4000s That I had to put XLRs on before he updated them. also a deposit for 2 1073 E.Q.s that I paid on in April 2018 and don't expect until April of this year. I'm done. If I want something I'll build it or hassle free buy it. By the way those 500 series Redds look a lot like the 4 - GIX-500 series modules I built, dual tube and all. I try to post a pix.
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Post by jtc111 on Jan 4, 2019 21:11:41 GMT -6
Sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me - any more the putting a 2a and 1176 in one box or a DBX and an 1176 in one box. I have great 2a's and 3a's and I use them all the time - but for different things. I don't get the correlation of putting both in one box and switching between other than they were both Urei's and both ended in a's. Or that one was the descendant of the other. I use em for two different things, and I generally need both during a mix. Which would necessitate I buy more of the above. Which would (presumably) cost more for the dual architecture, and almost certainly be sub standard in terms of design. There's a lot of **** in those things, and they don't all share components easily. I guess my mindset just doesn't line up.... If I need a 2a AND a 3a - simultaneously for mixing - I'd have to buy two and the internal architecture is wasted on extra parts I don't need. I suppose for the guy only needing one.... That doesn’t really make sense...if you buy one LA2A, you have one LA2A. If you buy this, you get the option. If you need two, you buy two. I think what he means is he'd find a single piece of rack gear with two of the same channels more useful than having to buy two pieces of rack gear to get two of the same channels. That makes sense to me.
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Post by drbill on Jan 4, 2019 22:08:41 GMT -6
Sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me - any more the putting a 2a and 1176 in one box or a DBX and an 1176 in one box. I have great 2a's and 3a's and I use them all the time - but for different things. I don't get the correlation of putting both in one box and switching between other than they were both Urei's and both ended in a's. Or that one was the descendant of the other. I use em for two different things, and I generally need both during a mix. Which would necessitate I buy more of the above. Which would (presumably) cost more for the dual architecture, and almost certainly be sub standard in terms of design. There's a lot of **** in those things, and they don't all share components easily. I guess my mindset just doesn't line up.... If I need a 2a AND a 3a - simultaneously for mixing - I'd have to buy two and the internal architecture is wasted on extra parts I don't need. I suppose for the guy only needing one.... If you need two - just buy two! If you need two of each - just buy four!. They’re “either/or” - and there are plenty pieces of gear that have more than just 1 “great” setting. I don’t see the problem here? As far as the circuits go - Stams sound quality speaks for itself. The 1073MPA mkii sounds incredible over here. So even if the design isn’t exactly the same as some arbitrary vintage original - this will still be an impressive sounding unit. There's no "problem here". Just misses my target point. If you dig it, then that's awesome.
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Post by drbill on Jan 4, 2019 22:13:46 GMT -6
Sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me - any more the putting a 2a and 1176 in one box or a DBX and an 1176 in one box. I have great 2a's and 3a's and I use them all the time - but for different things. I don't get the correlation of putting both in one box and switching between other than they were both Urei's and both ended in a's. Or that one was the descendant of the other. I use em for two different things, and I generally need both during a mix. Which would necessitate I buy more of the above. Which would (presumably) cost more for the dual architecture, and almost certainly be sub standard in terms of design. There's a lot of **** in those things, and they don't all share components easily. I guess my mindset just doesn't line up.... If I need a 2a AND a 3a - simultaneously for mixing - I'd have to buy two and the internal architecture is wasted on extra parts I don't need. I suppose for the guy only needing one.... That doesn’t really make sense...if you buy one LA2A, you have one LA2A. If you buy this, you get the option. If you need two, you buy two. I think you may have missed my point John. If I need one la2a, and one la3a and buy two of these like you suggested - I'm essentially paying for 2 la2a's and 2 la3a's. Right? Sure, it's more flexible as I could use them as 2 3a's or 2 2a's. But it's a lot of extra components if done traditional. (And up to this point, it seems like Stam strives to do things in a traditional fashion.) It's not just swap out the tube for a solid state DOA on these. While there may be SOME overlap, there's a lot that's NOT overlapped, and so you'd be paying double. At least not if you're doing it right. Not to mention extra labor, etc. It's not like - swap the output transformer and call it a 3a too kinda deal.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 4, 2019 22:17:17 GMT -6
I assumed the price point would be kind of ridiculously low like the rest of the stuff...so you’d be getting both for basically the price of one of the others you’d buy. The quality is tbd. One day.
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