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Post by mrholmes on Dec 4, 2018 19:57:30 GMT -6
Because me and my company we can't afford to collaborate with criminals. IMO there is no other way to put it to bed. Gangsters without morality.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 5, 2018 15:55:32 GMT -6
I've been thinking of dropping facebook too.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 5, 2018 16:20:15 GMT -6
I've been thinking of dropping facebook too.
I cant tell my customers how FB treats the data. For this reason I will also repalce WhatsApp with something more secure.
People who want to get in touch via FB are redirected to good old e-mail. With e-mail I know that my provider is taking care for a save conversation without giving data away to anyone.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 5, 2018 20:38:45 GMT -6
I would like to be out of FB as well but we have a studio business FB page and in order to create and run a business page you must first have a personal FB account which I find difficult to understand. (Oh yeah they want your personal data!).
Although we have a dedicated studio website most of our online enquires come via FB.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 3:01:31 GMT -6
Yep, it's a necessary evil for me too.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 6, 2018 16:43:46 GMT -6
It’s amazing how many of my clients try to communicate with me through Facebook instead of simply using email. Downright frustrating.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 6, 2018 18:05:34 GMT -6
Sorry Sirs the main question to me is how many clients do I gain per year buy running (administrate) a FB fanpage.
After doing statistics for my business it was less than 1,5% of all business contacts.
If there where internet contacts the most value is by direct contacts done by a customer Google search.
So to me FB is not only an eveil its also a big waste of lifetime by posting fresh topics vs. gaining just 1-2 clients a year.
The bigger value to me is investing the time in good SEO optimizing to be on search page one under my main Keywords.
For me the whole web 2.0 stuff is a big crap.
And I think thats why google is shutting down google+.
Not to mention that FB is a complicate tool with way too many functions.
I simpel dont have time for it.
It never brought me more customers = cash.
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Post by ericn on Dec 9, 2018 10:55:39 GMT -6
I would like to be out of FB as well but we have a studio business FB page and in order to create and run a business page you must first have a personal FB account which I find difficult to understand. (Oh yeah they want your personal data!). Although we have a dedicated studio website most of our online enquires come via FB. Do like everybody else lie on the personal page😁 |
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Post by Ward on Dec 17, 2018 10:14:04 GMT -6
Facebook generates hate, derision, division, bad will, slander/libel/defamation, misinformation, poor grammar, poor spelling, rumors, hysteria, anxiety . . .
and there's a dark side too.
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Post by bowie on Dec 17, 2018 15:45:52 GMT -6
It’s amazing how many of my clients try to communicate with me through Facebook instead of simply using email. Downright frustrating. Same. I was using it several times a day but stopped a few months ago because of the political games they're playing and the sheer manipulation of it's users. I won't take part in that. I've lost business though because, even though mine is set up as a personal page and has little mention of my work, people still find me on there and want to conduct business via facebook messages. I guess I'm finally "old" because I'm starting to feel as if I don't understand how this world works anymore... |
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Post by chessparov on Dec 18, 2018 0:30:13 GMT -6
Never joined, never plan to...
Chris
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Post by jakeboy on Feb 16, 2019 22:12:53 GMT -6
Been off FB since 2015....don’t miss it. Yes Iam losing business and struggle to promote my music without it....but thats Ok.
If my music is good enough people will demand it even if I am off FB. Call me naive.
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Post by M57 on Feb 17, 2019 8:57:52 GMT -6
I had to join in 2012 in order to sign up for a professional development related class. We all travelled to a rural village in Ghana to study drumming and dance for three weeks. I kept the account to keep in touch with those folks, but kept my life out of FB otherwise. So it was easy enough to delete this January.
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 17, 2019 9:16:26 GMT -6
I left fb 2 years ago, I log on every 6 months or so to see if I missed anything but am always quickly reminded how much I hate it.
I’d guess that fb actually has a declining user base in western countries. My 13 yo daughter and her friends don’t care at all about fb, they’re into Instagram and Snapchat. I don’t see any of that younger generation getting into it. I think fb gains followers from Asia, the Far East and many developing countries.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 17, 2019 10:38:22 GMT -6
I like it because I literally have real friends I've actually hung out with all over the world. Advertiser access to me has always been behind most broadcasting and other "free" entertainment. The whole concept of "privacy" on the internet has always been pure fiction. You don't want to do or say anything you wouldn't do in the middle of a downtown street. I do limit my personal page to "friends" and the "Bob Olhsson" page was created by a friend who wanted to set me up with a lecture tour of Europe that, unfortunately, never worked out. I probably should add to it if I ever have any spare time.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 17, 2019 14:27:45 GMT -6
I've been thinking of dropping facebook too.
I cant tell my customers how FB treats the data. For this reason I will also repalce WhatsApp with something more secure.
People who want to get in touch via FB are redirected to good old e-mail. With e-mail I know that my provider is taking care for a save conversation without giving data away to anyone.
You do? |
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 17, 2019 14:31:19 GMT -6
It’s amazing how many of my clients try to communicate with me through Facebook instead of simply using email. Downright frustrating. Same. I was using it several times a day but stopped a few months ago because of the political games they're playing and the sheer manipulation of it's users. I won't take part in that. I've lost business though because, even though mine is set up as a personal page and has little mention of my work, people still find me on there and want to conduct business via facebook messages. I guess I'm finally "old" because I'm starting to feel as if I don't understand how this world works anymore... I perfectly understand how this world works.
I just don't like it.
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 17, 2019 14:38:24 GMT -6
I cant tell my customers how FB treats the data. For this reason I will also repalce WhatsApp with something more secure.
People who want to get in touch via FB are redirected to good old e-mail. With e-mail I know that my provider is taking care for a save conversation without giving data away to anyone.
You do? If you use gmail (and possible yahoo) your emails are 100% being data mined and used/sold. This has been public knowledge for a long time now. I’m guessing that all the other major players do it now too. |
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 17, 2019 20:16:35 GMT -6
If you use gmail (and possible yahoo) your emails are 100% being data mined and used/sold. This has been public knowledge for a long time now. I’m guessing that all the other major players do it now too. Exactly. Essentially, if you use the internet you cannot avoid being exploited and used to enrich companies that you probably don't want to support. You can't avoid it.
Have you read Jaron Lanier's book "Who Owns The Future"? In the first half he explores the problem in considerable depth. Unfortunately the second half is wasted with a pie-in-the-sky scheme to pay each user incremental amounts for the use of their data which just ain't gonna happen.
His earlier book, "You Are Not A Gadget" is pretty good too and doesn't have a wasted second half.
Lanier, of course, is one of the early developers of the internet and is considered the father of virtual reality. He is also a musician. He seems to be quite horrified with what has been done with his work.
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Post by ericn on Feb 18, 2019 11:31:07 GMT -6
If you use gmail (and possible yahoo) your emails are 100% being data mined and used/sold. This has been public knowledge for a long time now. I’m guessing that all the other major players do it now too. Exactly. Essentially, if you use the internet you cannot avoid being exploited and used to enrich companies that you probably don't want to support. You can't avoid it.
Have you read Jaron Lanier's book "Who Owns The Future"? In the first half he explores the problem in considerable depth. Unfortunately the second half is wasted with a pie-in-the-sky scheme to pay each user incremental amounts for the use of their data which just ain't gonna happen.
His earlier book, "You Are Not A Gadget" is pretty good too and doesn't have a wasted second half.
Lanier, of course, is one of the early developers of the internet and is considered the father of virtual reality. He is also a musician. He seems to be quite horrified with what has been done with his work.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 18, 2019 11:52:07 GMT -6
My wife and I met Jaron at a Berkeley Mac User Group meeting before he became famous. He was even more pie in the sky then but it was a wonderful conversation. Back then people thought cheap technology was going to save the world.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 18, 2019 12:07:37 GMT -6
My wife and I met Jaron at a Berkeley Mac User Group meeting before he became famous. He was even more pie in the sky then but it was a wonderful conversation. Back then people thought cheap technology was going to save the world. Yeah, we sure did.
Oh, BOY were we wrong! |
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 18, 2019 13:14:36 GMT -6
If you use gmail (and possible yahoo) your emails are 100% being data mined and used/sold. This has been public knowledge for a long time now. I’m guessing that all the other major players do it now too. Exactly. Essentially, if you use the internet you cannot avoid being exploited and used to enrich companies that you probably don't want to support. You can't avoid it.
Have you read Jaron Lanier's book "Who Owns The Future"? In the first half he explores the problem in considerable depth. Unfortunately the second half is wasted with a pie-in-the-sky scheme to pay each user incremental amounts for the use of their data which just ain't gonna happen.
His earlier book, "You Are Not A Gadget" is pretty good too and doesn't have a wasted second half.
Lanier, of course, is one of the early developers of the internet and is considered the father of virtual reality. He is also a musician. He seems to be quite horrified with what has been done with his work.
Sounds like some good reading material, I'd be interested in checking those books out except for the fact that I find my own dystopian view of the future is stressful enough! |
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2019 11:11:41 GMT -6
I’d leave FB but first I would have to be on Facebook!
Seriously never saw the attraction but then my life had already pretty much been put on public display before Zuckerberg had started rated girls online.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:41:00 GMT -6
I’d guess that fb actually has a declining user base in western countries. My 13 yo daughter and her friends don’t care at all about fb, they’re into Instagram and Snapchat. I don’t see any of that younger generation getting into it. I think fb gains followers from Asia, the Far East and many developing countries.
Fedbook owns instagram..
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