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Post by Ward on Dec 4, 2018 7:03:29 GMT -6
BeOS still exists? WHAAAAAA??? It's called "Haiku" these days. Haiku OSBut can I run it on a Westmere Mac Pro tower and will Pro Tools run on top of it, with all the drivers etc?
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Post by EmRR on Dec 4, 2018 7:13:33 GMT -6
Yeah, you ned to have “bought” a version with your Apple ID for it to show up. You cant get anything but the latest for the computer unless you did that. Actually, that’s exactly what we’ve pointed out on this thread: you actually *can* get installers for other versions of the OS, regardless of whether you previously “bought” them with your Apple ID or not. You won’t be able to find them in the App Store by searching. You have to use a direct link to the App Store page of the OS version you’re looking for. You can find these on Apple’s website. Again, my recent experience is you can find the link, but it will redirect to the version Apple wants you to have, dependent on the computer in use.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 4, 2018 7:34:16 GMT -6
Actually, that’s exactly what we’ve pointed out on this thread: you actually *can* get installers for other versions of the OS, regardless of whether you previously “bought” them with your Apple ID or not. You won’t be able to find them in the App Store by searching. You have to use a direct link to the App Store page of the OS version you’re looking for. You can find these on Apple’s website. Again, my recent experience is you can find the link, but it will redirect to the version Apple wants you to have, dependent on the computer in use. True, but there are some ways around this. (link.) You can probably trick an El Capitan Mac into running Sierra, or maybe even High Sierra. (Of course, whether it’s wise to do so may be another matter.) And the Mojave situation is graphics card dependent. If your Mac is pre-2009, it will be difficult to go higher than El Capitan. I gave up on a 2008 MBP a few months ago.
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Post by Ward on Dec 4, 2018 8:02:19 GMT -6
You raise an interesting point, the other mark williams. Truly, the very best modern Macs were built in 2011-2012. At least that's the commonly held opinion with all I know.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 4, 2018 8:18:10 GMT -6
Again, my recent experience is you can find the link, but it will redirect to the version Apple wants you to have, dependent on the computer in use. True, but there are some ways around this. (link.) You can probably trick an El Capitan Mac into running Sierra, or maybe even High Sierra. (Of course, whether it’s wise to do so may be another matter.) And the Mojave situation is graphics card dependent. If your Mac is pre-2009, it will be difficult to go higher than El Capitan. I gave up on a 2008 MBP a few months ago. I was looking at it from the other direction: I didn't necessarily want to update past El Capitan, but the El Capitan download link redirects to High Sierra on computers that can take High Sierra. Which leads back to the OP....
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 4, 2018 8:20:56 GMT -6
You raise an interesting point, the other mark williams. Truly, the very best modern Macs were built in 2011-2012. At least that's the commonly held opinion with all I know. That’s definitely a good era. I continue to be impressed by my 2009 4,1 cMP (flashed to 5,1). I picked it up maybe 3 yrs ago with all new processors and 32gigs of RAM. True desktops (hard to count an iMac as a true desktop) have so much more headroom for heat dissipation and dust cleaning. But yeah, my 2012 iPad is still going, too. It’s a little hard for me to imagine a current new iPad going for 6 yrs, But who knows...
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 4, 2018 8:23:02 GMT -6
True, but there are some ways around this. (link.) You can probably trick an El Capitan Mac into running Sierra, or maybe even High Sierra. (Of course, whether it’s wise to do so may be another matter.) And the Mojave situation is graphics card dependent. If your Mac is pre-2009, it will be difficult to go higher than El Capitan. I gave up on a 2008 MBP a few months ago. I was looking at it from the other direction: I didn't necessarily want to update past El Capitan, but the El Capitan download link redirects to High Sierra on computers that can take High Sierra. Which leads back to the OP.... Oooh, interesting. A wrinkle I hadn’t considered. I’ll have to look into this. Was this the case even if you’d previously downloaded the older OS with your Apple ID? (Presumably not. Hence the need for an installer from someone else when in that particular situation...)
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Post by ericn on Dec 4, 2018 8:58:48 GMT -6
You raise an interesting point, the other mark williams. Truly, the very best modern Macs were built in 2011-2012. At least that's the commonly held opinion with all I know. That was the last of the server based Mac Pro’s. I think we paid a price when Apple no longer built for their own cloud and leased space from others. I’ll say it again as much as I love my IPhone we have paid the price for the new Consumer focused Apple. I really wish someone would sit down with Tim Cook and the rest of the management team who knows the real history of Apple and say “Look while the new consumer Apple is the greatest show of tech, do you all realize without the Audio, Video and Graphics users we wouldn’t be here ? We need to show with a couple of real pro products that we care.” I remember a time when I got a call from our Apple dealers rep thanking me because our orders so I could build PT rigs were keeping Apple in buisness! Funny how Jobs decided to crap on Adobe and Avid / Digi when without them he wouldn’t have had an Apple to rebuild.
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Post by popmann on Dec 4, 2018 21:06:45 GMT -6
But, to be truthful, music professionals...wait...music engineers/studios...used Mac Pros despite having no real need for the GPU or CPU horsepower contained. They used them because they held professional grade audio interfaces, including but not limited to Avid's TDM hardware...and the form factor had the ability to hold multiple drives...along with plenty of available ports for WHATEVER needs connecting.
Since functionally, SSDs have removed the need for multiple internal drives...and Avid retired TDM...and Thunderbolt comes what I'll simply call "close enough" to PCI for most users' use cases...I don't want to come off as apologizing for Apple, but to some degree, they've ALWAYS fucked music professionals hard in whatever place they didn't want to be fucked. I've said FOREVER that if they'd have built a NORMAL tower desktop, rather than using server class stuff that gets you nothing in music production, they'd have nearly no market for the MacPros. This IS actually where we're at--except rather than make a normal desktop, they waited for (and worked toward) "normal tower desktop" needs to be outmoded by miniaturization.
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Post by cyrano on Dec 12, 2018 16:34:25 GMT -6
But can I run it on a Westmere Mac Pro tower and will Pro Tools run on top of it, with all the drivers etc? Short answer: no. But since it's experimental, you could theoretically compile it to run on a Mac Pro. Protools would obviously be a problem. I'll stick to Reaper on the G5 anyways...
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