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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 16:11:00 GMT -6
Monitors. Bought a used ECM8000 and did the measurements via the software. First profile I just selected no calibration for the mic, second profile I found the calibration file. The second profile is basically the same curve, just seems a tiny bit different and seems to sound even a little better. There is absolutely no doubt this fixes the low end issues...might take a little bit to get used to.
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Post by spindrift on Apr 20, 2019 16:15:35 GMT -6
Sorry late to the party. Is Sonarworks EQ only or does it also correct phase like the Trinnov? I don’t know exactly. I seem to recall that the newer version 4 does some phase correction in it too. It does seem like this is a problem easily solved by a plugin/piece of software. I’d love to hear your opinions on the new v4 of Sonarworks with a Sonarworks calibrated mic vs. your Trinnov ST-2
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Post by spindrift on Apr 20, 2019 16:17:00 GMT -6
I have an ECM8000 too and it worked great for demo, but after liking the demo, I sprung for the Sonarworks calibrated mic. If I recall, you can only use the calibration info via the Sonarworks branded Serial # as part of the setup.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2019 16:24:18 GMT -6
SW is just eq,no time domain correction.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2019 16:26:21 GMT -6
No I think if you have another mike you can select the calibration file?
I haven’t been using 4,so maybe it does time domain but I don’t recall reading that ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 19:59:56 GMT -6
Sorry late to the party. Is Sonarworks EQ only or does it also correct phase like the Trinnov? I don’t know exactly. I seem to recall that the newer version 4 does some phase correction in it too. It does seem like this is a problem easily solved by a plugin/piece of software. I’d love to hear your opinions on the new v4 of Sonarworks with a Sonarworks calibrated mic vs. your Trinnov ST-2 Hey littlesicily Keith is sending me his calibrated Sonarworks Mic to measure...if you have any interest, I can bring it over sometime while I have it. We could download the demo and try it out vs. the Trinnov. I have no doubt the Trinnov is the better solution, but it would be interesting to see.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 20, 2019 21:08:05 GMT -6
Tbh I don’t think sonarworks is refined enough to worry about perfectly calibrated microphones. Any calibrated mic will work fine.
When I measured my room before and after sonar correction the room was better but...... the sonarworks “after” graph has way to much smoothing going on. And the correction was pretty corse.
Certainly helpful but not the be all end all.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 21:14:38 GMT -6
What version did you use? It looks pretty detailed to me - at least what the pretty graph says...who knows if that’s what it’s really doing. Wonder if you EQ matched in something like Pro Q if it would do the same thing?
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Post by tasteliketape on Apr 20, 2019 21:28:29 GMT -6
Also after running the software isn’t there a mix control in Sonarworks if the corrections are to little or to much?
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 20, 2019 23:18:45 GMT -6
What version did you use? It looks pretty detailed to me - at least what the pretty graph says...who knows if that’s what it’s really doing. Wonder if you EQ matched in something like Pro Q if it would do the same thing? I am using the latest version. The graph doesn't match reality, it is too smoothed out. If you grab REW you can test before and after and see what exactly Sonarwork correction is doing. REW can do the same type of correction but the beauty of sonarworks in its implementation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 0:30:35 GMT -6
Sonarworks 4 does eq and has switchable linear phase option and shows phase shift correction.
Using a different mic without calibration file is losing almost all potential of this software. I'm serious. Correction graph is totally different and much more pleasant using calibration file for whatever omni SDC mic you use
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 21, 2019 1:10:10 GMT -6
I agree with leitmo as I had the mike and calibration file before but sold it.
Good to know 4 does more.
If you get the SW mike, bettercheck if you can input the serial number and get the calibrationfile? Perhaps, their file, IP address system isn’t too smart, but you would think they would prevent that working ? Or maybe not ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 22, 2019 13:13:38 GMT -6
I've got to admit...this has kind of gotten me into a funk. Second guessing everything.
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 22, 2019 13:30:39 GMT -6
I've got to admit...this has kind of gotten me into a funk. Second guessing everything. Try this, maybe it will help. Listen to the intro to "Mr. Jones" by Counting Crows (no matter how much you might hate the song, it's a T-Bone Burnette production mixed by Pat McCarthy, so not too bad!) See if that floor tom hit sounds "meh" or "yeah". When the drums and bass come in, see if all the notes of the bass are even. The bassline for "Waiting For The Sun" by The Jayhawks (a George Drakoulias production) was also a great test for me. Do this with and without Sonarworks. Or find some other references that you know and trust, and try to hear if the bassline is better balanced with Sonarworks enabled.
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Post by mcirish on Apr 22, 2019 14:25:17 GMT -6
I'm real glad this thread came back from the dead. I've really been thinking about this for a long time. My room is well treated and my monitors are pretty good; Dynaudio LYD48, Equator D5, Dynaudio Air 6 with sub. Sometimes I can't get the stuff below 60HZ just right without a car test so maybe I take a gamble and get this? I wish they had a sale going on right now. it would make the decision quicker.
For those who use it, how are you handling multiple monitors? Is changing between settings quick? I'm so used to jumping between monitors that it might throw me off if I have to jump through hoops with each monitor switch.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 22, 2019 14:47:29 GMT -6
I'm real glad this thread came back from the dead. I've really been thinking about this for a long time. My room is well treated and my monitors are pretty good; Dynaudio LYD48, Equator D5, Dynaudio Air 6 with sub. Sometimes I can't get the stuff below 60HZ just right without a car test so maybe I take a gamble and get this? I wish they had a sale going on right now. it would make the decision quicker. For those who use it, how are you handling multiple monitors? Is changing between settings quick? I'm so used to jumping between monitors that it might throw me off if I have to jump through hoops with each monitor switch. They seem to have a sale period in May. Might be worth to wait a bit.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 22, 2019 14:50:47 GMT -6
My test is Chris Botti's "What's New".
Al Schmitt did it. Nough said.
If when the strings come in you don't feel like your wrapped around in perfect reverb and super deep clear bass. Its fucked up.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 22, 2019 15:01:56 GMT -6
I’m waiting until I get the Sonarworks mic to make the final call. The thing that bothers me a little is that it says I have a 2kHz dip in my room, so obviously it’s putting more 2khz when correcting. Kind of feel like my mixes with the correction aren’t quite as exciting as I’m digging that out more obviously. It’s just hard to all of a sudden change the way you’ve done things forever.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 22, 2019 15:02:26 GMT -6
I do think I can hear 100hz and verbs better.
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 22, 2019 15:18:06 GMT -6
I’m waiting until I get the Sonarworks mic to make the final call. The thing that bothers me a little is that it says I have a 2kHz dip in my room, so obviously it’s putting more 2khz when correcting. Kind of feel like my mixes with the correction aren’t quite as exciting as I’m digging that out more obviously. It’s just hard to all of a sudden change the way you’ve done things forever. Get the mic, absolutely.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 22, 2019 16:10:42 GMT -6
Be nice if it allowed you to just correct the low end.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 22, 2019 16:20:48 GMT -6
SW lists the monitors it has correction graphs for, better check your monitors are listed ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 22, 2019 16:45:39 GMT -6
SW lists the monitors it has correction graphs for, better check your monitors are listed ? Huh?
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 22, 2019 16:49:26 GMT -6
Be nice if it allowed you to just correct the low end. I’m pretty sure you can with the latest version. Look for the “advanced” section, there are limits there.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 22, 2019 16:56:08 GMT -6
Mcirish was asking about using sw with his specific monitors, so I thought he should check they are listed ?
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