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Post by tkaitkai on Apr 7, 2020 10:30:41 GMT -6
tried to mix with sonarworks on demo with my headphones and the mix came out really too bass heavy and muddy ... is there really such a learning curve? granted, my yamaha hph mt7 are bass heavy and sonarworks corrects this and after my headphone sounds "weak" in the bass (or at least i was used different). so obviuosly i mixed with too much bass. did you expierence such a learning curve? i read lots of reviews where "immediately" the mix translated nicely ... The headphone correction is a totally different experience from the speaker correction, IMO. I almost immediately loved it with my monitors, but it took me a year or two to actually like what it was doing to my headphones. There's definitely a learning curve, and it takes a while. Once you adjust, you won't want to go back. I now hate the way my Sonys sound without it. I'd recommend trying it out with speakers, too. That kind of makes it easier to understand what it's doing to your headphones. In a way, it almost brings my monitors and headphones closer to the same sound, if that makes sense.
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Post by moze on Apr 8, 2020 5:38:21 GMT -6
tried to mix with sonarworks on demo with my headphones and the mix came out really too bass heavy and muddy ... is there really such a learning curve? granted, my yamaha hph mt7 are bass heavy and sonarworks corrects this and after my headphone sounds "weak" in the bass (or at least i was used different). so obviuosly i mixed with too much bass. did you expierence such a learning curve? i read lots of reviews where "immediately" the mix translated nicely ... For speakers I have had no issues "learning" it. Just mix to make it sound right. On the headphones I have found that if I use Goodhertz Can Opener after Sonarworks the translation is much easier for me.
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2020 8:23:07 GMT -6
I'm in the same boat. Considering buying it, but I don't have a measurement mic to test it out. Used DBX and Behringer calibrated mics are very easy to find dirt cheap. As John Epstein will tell you some of the early DBX are relabeled Earthworks! For a bit more Audix’s are MBHO.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 8, 2020 8:51:17 GMT -6
If you want to use a calibrated mike with SW, you need the calibration file to load into SW, otherwise you don’t have a calibrated file, just the mike’s normal profile.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 8, 2020 9:11:09 GMT -6
If you want to use a calibrated mike with SW, you need the calibration file to load into SW, otherwise you don’t have a calibrated file, just the mike’s normal profile. if my memory serves me, weren’t there a few people here who thought the off-brand mics were close enough for Sonarworks to make a good, positive difference? I may be misremembering that...
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Post by tkaitkai on Apr 8, 2020 11:19:27 GMT -6
If you want to use a calibrated mike with SW, you need the calibration file to load into SW, otherwise you don’t have a calibrated file, just the mike’s normal profile. if my memory serves me, weren’t there a few people here who thought the off-brand mics were close enough for Sonarworks to make a good, positive difference? I may be misremembering that... The SW mic itself is a $70 mic that looks almost identical to the Behringer ECM8000 and Dayton Audio EMM-6. I'm assuming they're all the same rebranded mic. You can use any of them as long as you have a calibration file, ideally the one specific to your exact mic. A generic one could probably work in a pinch.
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Post by mcirish on Apr 8, 2020 15:01:02 GMT -6
Doesn't the Sonarworks mic come with a profile? That gets loaded in so the frequency response of the mic is taken into account in the speaker calibration. using any old calibration mic may not get you great results.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 8, 2020 15:23:59 GMT -6
Yes, the SW’s mike comes with a serial number from which you access it’s profile and download to your machine.
I have the calibrated mike new and a used non calibrated mike. My sense was the calibrated mike final profile seems more accurate ?
Anyway I have purchased SW’s twice , initially appreciate it a lot but eventually stop using it.
If anyone is interested, I have a SW4 license for monitors and headphones including the calibrated mike for sale. Pm if you are interested shipping to states wouldn’t be much as box is small and light.
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Post by tkaitkai on Apr 8, 2020 21:05:06 GMT -6
Doesn't the Sonarworks mic come with a profile? That gets loaded in so the frequency response of the mic is taken into account in the speaker calibration. using any old calibration mic may not get you great results. You can actually load a calibration file from any measurement mic that has one, i.e. the Dayton. Sonarworks supports this, or at least used to IIRC.
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Post by RealNoob on Apr 8, 2020 21:41:26 GMT -6
So, checking myself - you guys mix with it on master buss and when rendering, disable it?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 9, 2020 0:58:03 GMT -6
Yes, always turn off when rendering/printing.
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Post by mcirish on Apr 9, 2020 6:28:27 GMT -6
So, checking myself - you guys mix with it on master buss and when rendering, disable it? I record in Nuendo/Cubase. It has a control room setup so I put sonarworks in the monitor insert. That way, I don't have to turn it on and off. But yes, make sure when you export your mix that sonarworks is not in the signal chain.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2020 7:45:36 GMT -6
In most daws, it will have a pop up notification if you forget to disable it.
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 9, 2020 8:14:08 GMT -6
So I was just listening to some mixes I've done, in my new car (Honda CRV), and I was like hmm....kinda sounds all mid-rangey and lame. Listened to some refs and it was fuller. Not like amazing, but definitely filled out the system more. I've been following this thread, and I was like OK, maybe I'll demo this stuff and see what it can do for me. I gotta say, just on first listen with those particular mixes, I heard basically the same thing I heard in my car. Kinda wimpy low end, pushed mids, a little too bright. I just rendered a new mix making a few small adjustments to fill it out. I'm about to take a drive and see if it made a difference. Obviously the Honda doesn't have the greatest sound system in the world, but that's probably a good thing to see if the mixes work. If my ears are telling me the truth here, I think I'm going to find this quite useful. I'll admit to being a skeptic, but I'm impressed so far!
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2020 21:01:34 GMT -6
So I was just listening to some mixes I've done, in my new car (Honda CRV), and I was like hmm....kinda sounds all mid-rangey and lame. Listened to some refs and it was fuller. Not like amazing, but definitely filled out the system more. I've been following this thread, and I was like OK, maybe I'll demo this stuff and see what it can do for me. I gotta say, just on first listen with those particular mixes, I heard basically the same thing I heard in my car. Kinda wimpy low end, pushed mids, a little too bright. I just rendered a new mix making a few small adjustments to fill it out. I'm about to take a drive and see if it made a difference. Obviously the Honda doesn't have the greatest sound system in the world, but that's probably a good thing to see if the mixes work. If my ears are telling me the truth here, I think I'm going to find this quite useful. I'll admit to being a skeptic, but I'm impressed so far! Let’s us know your opinion. I couldn’t love without it.
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Post by damoongo on Apr 9, 2020 21:11:48 GMT -6
So, checking myself - you guys mix with it on master buss and when rendering, disable it? I record in Nuendo/Cubase. It has a control room setup so I put sonarworks in the monitor insert. That way, I don't have to turn it on and off. But yes, make sure when you export your mix that sonarworks is not in the signal chain. This is true, and great. Unless you use “direct asio monitoring” for inputs. (Which I do, for zero latency monitoring.) It bypasses control room in Cubase/Nuendo. So I actually run SonarWorks on a second computer that takes a digital feed from my Lynx PCIe cards in my main tower to a Lynx card in my SW tower. SW then sends outputs to the actual Aurora D/A converter from there. So, with no extra D/A or A/D conversion, I have SW permanently strapped on my stereo output pair, even when using direct asio monitoring for all the live tracking.
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 10, 2020 6:08:33 GMT -6
So I was just listening to some mixes I've done, in my new car (Honda CRV), and I was like hmm....kinda sounds all mid-rangey and lame. Listened to some refs and it was fuller. Not like amazing, but definitely filled out the system more. I've been following this thread, and I was like OK, maybe I'll demo this stuff and see what it can do for me. I gotta say, just on first listen with those particular mixes, I heard basically the same thing I heard in my car. Kinda wimpy low end, pushed mids, a little too bright. I just rendered a new mix making a few small adjustments to fill it out. I'm about to take a drive and see if it made a difference. Obviously the Honda doesn't have the greatest sound system in the world, but that's probably a good thing to see if the mixes work. If my ears are telling me the truth here, I think I'm going to find this quite useful. I'll admit to being a skeptic, but I'm impressed so far! Let’s us know your opinion. I couldn’t love without it. I might have to run the calibration again....played around with it a little more yesterday and I find it’s cutting a lot of bass out of my system. Almost too much. I’m using the Behringer mic so maybe that has something to do with it. I’m glad the demo is 3 weeks long, because I think with something like this, I’ll really want to put some time into it before I’m committed.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 10, 2020 6:26:16 GMT -6
I found the non calibration mike had exactly that problem, bass was off.
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 10, 2020 7:19:17 GMT -6
I just ran it again. This time I took much more care as to where I was pointing the mic, and my level relative to my listening position. The results were similar but much smoother from bottom to top. Just tweaked a mix from that solo record I did last year. It came out much closer to what I imagined I was hearing in the first place. Definitely a big improvement. I can hear the mid-range in my monitors (EVE SC307) much much better than before, whereas I usually switch to NS10's for that purpose. I'm not going to calibrate the NS10's because they aren't supposed to be flat and I'm really used to what they do. Plus they barely put out low end, and that's the biggest problem in this room. It's pretty incredible how I've invested in so much sound treatment, (and it has helped tremendously), but the speakers were still way off. I had been seriously considering selling them because I wasn't getting as accurate a result as I wanted. I think this is going to be extremely helpful here. Not totally sold on the headphone profiles yet, but we'll see. If I do decide to buy, I will purchase the Sonarworks mic just to get this system as close to true flat as possible. Very cool stuff, and I'm kinda pissed at myself for not at least trying it before!
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Post by proxy on Apr 19, 2020 13:58:16 GMT -6
I’ve found Sonarworks very helpful in my space.
We all have different degrees of what we can do in our space, and while I’d love to have a purpose-built room, designed by an acoustician, I’m doing the most I can with what I have: a highly imperfect room that I’ve done some treatment with.
While my treatments help, I find Sonarworks fills in some remaining gap. Even still, I don’t use it at 100%. I find around 66-75% works best for me, which means it’s not perfectly flat from Sonarworks’s perspective, but avoids some of the phase issues I hear when at 100%.
It just nudges things towards flatness in a super helpful way for me. I then compensate a little with the course bass/treble/tilt controls based on my own mixing leanings.
Definitely not a silver bullet. Definitely helpful in my imperfect room.
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Post by ragan on Oct 7, 2020 9:38:27 GMT -6
Just got a new machine and have been downloading all my software and getting things set up. I've been on an older version of Sonarworks (older OS) and the newer/current version of Sonarworks sounds even better. I already really liked it but I noticed the sonic upgrade immediately in getting the current version going.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2020 11:34:55 GMT -6
Just got a new machine and have been downloading all my software and getting things set up. I've been on an older version of Sonarworks (older OS) and the newer/current version of Sonarworks sounds even better. I already really liked it but I noticed the sonic upgrade immediately in getting the current version going. Seriously, Sonarworks has really, really quelled a lot of gearlust for me. Now that I feel like I can get mixes that translate and are balanced - and I'm hearing everything correctly, every other thing like compression, transformer this transformer that just seems like "different" not "better." I used to chase new pieces thinking it would help my mixes sound better. What I was really looking for all along was the ability to "hear" what I was doing and have it translate. It's just invaluable to me. I really hope they continue to upgrade - I'd pay more for even more precise results.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 7, 2020 12:45:54 GMT -6
Funny, I have tried SW 3 x and always ended up not using it: weird !
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Post by seawell on Oct 7, 2020 12:55:13 GMT -6
I used Sonarworks to inform me about my room but didn’t end up using the software to do any correction. I would run the test, then move some panels around/add more panels and then re-rest. It was very helpful for that but for some reason using the software to add any correction just never sounded right to me.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 7, 2020 13:31:10 GMT -6
Funny, I have tried SW 3 x and always ended up not using it: weird ! The opposite . here was very sceptical used SW4 for 30 days and cant live without it anymore....
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