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Post by joey808 on Oct 31, 2018 2:44:05 GMT -6
www.osmixmusic.com/betaI haven't checked it out for myself, saw this video on youtube about it. what do you guys think?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 31, 2018 5:48:23 GMT -6
I can’t imagine how a product like this is developed by somebody incorrectly using the term “Stem”. A kick track isn’t a stem, nor is a full mix of a song. A min into the video and all I see is 3 dudes that really have no clue about recording or mixing, telling us they came up with a computer algorithm to do your job better.
Just another case of dumbing down art because it’s too much work and takes too much time to develop a skill and hone in a craft.
Sorry for the curmudgeon rant haha
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 31, 2018 8:18:30 GMT -6
This is going to be a harsh post, but my first thought was what an asshole. It sickens me that this guy is actually proud of this. He should just come out and say, "Hey guys, fuck art. We have an 'awesome button' that makes music even more bland and homogeneous, while also making you irrelevant."
I have no doubt that AI can and will be able to create music, at every level. It CAN be done, but none of these dicks are asking if it SHOULD be done.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 31, 2018 8:23:30 GMT -6
I’m almost starting to think it’s a joke?
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 31, 2018 9:44:31 GMT -6
"Try the most revolutionary music innovation since the mp3!"
That sentence alone is sad enough to see how uninspiring these "designers" are.
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Post by ericn on Oct 31, 2018 9:56:47 GMT -6
Nooooooo ! This is just scary, we always used to joke that somebody simply recalled some other mix well now we are going to hear even more cookie cutter music.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 31, 2018 10:40:50 GMT -6
Haven't we heard this before?
Yes, I think we have!
ZZzzzzzz......
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Post by ericn on Oct 31, 2018 11:26:11 GMT -6
Haven't we heard this before? Yes, I think we have! ZZzzzzzz...... That’s a sign we are getting old😎
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 31, 2018 11:48:37 GMT -6
I’m almost starting to think it’s a joke? Has to be. During the audio samples, he turned up the volume knob on the mastering desk. But to switch examples, nothing. Just turned it down and then back up.
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 31, 2018 12:02:23 GMT -6
Haven't we heard this before? Yes, I think we have! ZZzzzzzz...... Yeah, but I think the problem is that, regardless of this latest attempt, one day there will be will be an application that mixes an entire song with minimal operator effort. Imagine Izotope coming out with a platform where you just dial in a few parameters like "sheen", "punch", "vintage/modern" etc etc. Regardless of how well this osmix app does the job, someone will come out with a program/AI/etc that does it convincingly and very well. And we'll be in even more trouble as an industry. We live in a time where there is a blind pursuit of tech. People are building advance tech just for the sake of doing it and with out any regard for ethics or the actual betterment of society. I mean do we need automated light bulbs and refrigerators with cameras inside them to tell our lazy assess we need more milk? Nope. But these are being built none the less. . . Anyway, I'm going to cut this short because I'm ranting. Lets hope this falls flat and we can all go back to debating which mic is better etc
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 31, 2018 12:13:59 GMT -6
Haven't we heard this before? Yes, I think we have! ZZzzzzzz...... Yeah, but I think the problem is that, regardless of this latest attempt, one day there will be will be an application that mixes an entire song with minimal operator effort. Imagine Izotope coming out with a platform where you just dial in a few parameters like "sheen", "punch", "vintage/modern" etc etc. Regardless of how well this osmix app does the job, someone will come out with a program/AI/etc that does it convincingly and very well. And we'll be in even more trouble as an industry. We live in a time where there is a blind pursuit of tech. People are building advance tech just for the sake of doing it and with out any regard for ethics or the actual betterment of society. I mean do we need automated light bulbs and refrigerators with cameras inside them to tell our lazy assess we need more milk? Nope. But these are being built none the less. . . Anyway, I'm going to cut this short because I'm ranting. Lets hope this falls flat and we can all go back to debating which mic is better etc Ozone already brought that to "mastering" for most. Won't belong im sure.
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Post by ericn on Oct 31, 2018 13:07:44 GMT -6
"Try the most revolutionary music innovation since the mp3!" That sentence alone is sad enough to see how uninspiring these "designers" are. The only good thing about something like this and possibly inspiring is it Willa actually mean an artist will have to put effort into arranging.
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Post by drbill on Oct 31, 2018 14:08:29 GMT -6
in association with Capitol Records? Really?
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Post by popmann on Oct 31, 2018 14:20:25 GMT -6
Re: the nomenclature of "stems"....while, yes they're completely incorrect in their useage--that's not "them being dumb"--both Studio One and Mixbus's only way to export audio is via the menu item "stem export". Extra irony in the case of Mixbus which can't export the mixbusses themselves--thus there's a function called "stem export" literally incapable of exporting what has been called stems for....you know....as long as that term has been in play.
Anyway--I would argue that in this day and age-audience they're aiming for, kick drum IS actually a "stem"....because people blend various kick mics and samples and that's not something their mixing robot can deal with--it needs a "kick" audio file for the algorithm to work.
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Post by formatcyes on Oct 31, 2018 14:26:45 GMT -6
Their web site is interesting
"$50 for Mixing and Mastering!! Next day delivery When ordering before December 1, 2018 Try the most revolutionary music innovation since the mp3!"
mp3 innovation is your bench mark really.
Next day delivery, not sure how automated it really is if it takes a day. Don't look behind the curtain.
One day maybe (I hope not) but I don't think these clowns are going to pull it off.
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Post by drbill on Oct 31, 2018 14:27:07 GMT -6
Spent about 25 seconds listening to their before / after clips on their website. After mixes were horrid. A complete fail IMO. And the "before" mixes weren't even a mix. Just a faders up "mix" where the tracking levels were completely jacked up. (Perhaps on purpose? I dunno, I'd never track that messed up.....) Also, they didn't even "try" to match levels. The "after's" were about 3X's louder.
How can you call a "before mix" worse when you can barely hear the vocals, and the "after mix" better where you CAN hear the vocals and it's 3X's as loud. And at this point, it seems more like a "service" than software that you buy to mix your songs. I'd love some kind of AI that would put my disposable film music "in the zone", so that I can tweak and finish it up QUICKLY, but this is a joke IMO. Is it going to edit my tracks and get them tight? Tune problem issues? Thin out the arrangement? Choose what direction I want the mix to lean into.
Answer : no. Not for a long time out.
And what's the capitol records association?
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 31, 2018 14:34:01 GMT -6
Just looked at the website. Looks very amateurish. They obviously didn't put much thought into the wording. The same paragraph alleges that its geared towards engineers who don't have time to do rough mixes AND artists who don't have any money, but want a guaranteed radio ready mix! lol.
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Post by formatcyes on Oct 31, 2018 14:34:32 GMT -6
I would love an AI education plugin where I could select some reference tunes and It tell me whats missing in my mix vs the reference ones and make suggestions. Most likely say " look man your song just sux balls exterminate, exterminate, exterminate...."
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Post by svart on Oct 31, 2018 14:40:26 GMT -6
So when this came up when automated mastering reared it's ugly head.. We had tons of people pipe up to say that they liked it and would use it..
Because they were not mastering engineers.
So now that the music gestapo has moved on to killing off mixing engineers like us, we're suddenly against it?
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Post by matt on Oct 31, 2018 14:42:53 GMT -6
And what's the capitol records association? Capitol is a co-sponsor of something called "gBETA Musictech": gBETA Musictech
gBETA runs free seminars for people looking to do a startup company. Apparently OSMIX is participating and they've latched on to the Capitol name, because, why not? They call it "collaborating". Whatever. I'll only do seminars if they provide food. Free food.
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Post by ericn on Oct 31, 2018 14:44:34 GMT -6
I would love an AI education plugin where I could select some reference tunes and It tell me whats missing in my mix vs the reference ones and make suggestions. Most likely say " look man your song just sux balls exterminate, exterminate, exterminate...." We have a button that fixes that It says mute😎
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Post by matt on Oct 31, 2018 14:53:59 GMT -6
OSMIX has the endorsement of one of their girlfriends:
"Proud isn’t even a big enough word for how I feel about all the things my boyfriend has worked so hard to accomplish!! • For anyone who hasn’t heard, Aaron left Tesla a few months ago to pursue and re-engage in his passion and primary desire : musicianship. • Since then, he’s worked with some truly supportive, talented, and hardworking people whose creative forces have given way to some awesome results: not only is he playing and writing music again, he’s also growing his understanding and engagement with the music business in new and exciting ways. • Aaron, Jared, and Will have been working on an app for musicians to help streamline and automate the mixing process. They’ve all dedicated lots of time, money, and effort into growing their tech tool. So much so that they have been chosen out of hundreds of submissions to work with the gBeta music technology accelerator program in partnership with Capital Music Group (yes, as in Capitol Records!) that will help them grow their business. • Aaron would never say it, but I will: his work ethic and talent have given way to a whole new chapter marked by an energy that has created a positive domino-effect for everything around him. I am so proud of the work these dudes have put in and so excited for all the opportunities and good vibes coming their way!"
Now that's an accomplishment!
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 31, 2018 15:37:57 GMT -6
Haven't we heard this before? Yes, I think we have! ZZzzzzzz...... Yeah, but I think the problem is that, regardless of this latest attempt, one day there will be will be an application that mixes an entire song with minimal operator effort. Imagine Izotope coming out with a platform where you just dial in a few parameters like "sheen", "punch", "vintage/modern" etc etc. Regardless of how well this osmix app does the job, someone will come out with a program/AI/etc that does it convincingly and very well. And we'll be in even more trouble as an industry. I already have one. It's called a "broomstick". It's an accessory for my console. And all this time I thought it was a pursuit of money....
I NEED some automated milk....
Don't I? If you insist. I was kinda appreciating the diversion.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 31, 2018 15:38:50 GMT -6
So when this came up when automated mastering reared it's ugly head.. We had tons of people pipe up to say that they liked it and would use it.. Because they were not mastering engineers. So now that the music gestapo has moved on to killing off mixing engineers like us, we're suddenly against it? I searched for years to find a mastering engineer that works for me. I’ll happily pay her whatever her rate is until one of us stops making records.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 31, 2018 15:42:42 GMT -6
So when this came up when automated mastering reared it's ugly head.. We had tons of people pipe up to say that they liked it and would use it.. Because they were not mastering engineers. So now that the music gestapo has moved on to killing off mixing engineers like us, we're suddenly against it? I searched for years to find a mastering engineer that workes for me. I’ll happily pay her whatever her rate is until one of us stops making records. I also happily pay my ME. He performs a service that no goddamn robot could ever accomplish.
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