ericn
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Post by ericn on Jul 26, 2018 10:25:03 GMT -6
Short answer: DON’T Partnerships are the worst business structure period. Its not going to end well. Yep to protect yourself any buisness should be incorporated, otherwise you are the buisness and that means you are on the hook for any liabilities, debts, lawsuits ect. Incorporating limits your personal liability note the limits not removes.
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 26, 2018 11:19:11 GMT -6
I think the only way a multi room situation works is if there is an initial party that purchases / leases a facility, and builds it out themselves. Then they can approach local engineers / producers / composers and offer the rooms for lease - doing the final buildout to suit. In addition, they should have a VERY discounted option to use the 'main room" for tracking purposes. That makes sense. I would consider getting involved in something like that if the opportunity arose and if it suited my needs. You see, that would be an option I'd be very interested in pursuing.
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Post by matt on Jul 26, 2018 11:27:53 GMT -6
I think the only way a multi room situation works is if there is an initial party that purchases / leases a facility, and builds it out themselves. Warning: off-topic comment! Bill, I just took another look at Jeff Hedback's site and saw pics of your room again. It's a beautiful space; I particularly like the way the window at your back has been dealt with. Very nice- and removable. I look at my space: the family room where my mix rig sits (where I also record), which backs into my kitchen, and the stone/wood flooring, shuttered windows, fireplace, etc, and wonder what to do. There's no treatment at all; I need to call Jeff. Now, back on topic: I would consider any partnership extremely risky. I would only do such a thing with my bandmates, who are also life-long friends. But I wonder how many band brotherhoods have been destroyed by the business end of things? Too many, I'm afraid. Not worth it. Convert your house as much as possible. That's what I'm slowly doing. I was just out looking at my garage, but I'd have to get rid of my 2012 Mustang Shelby GT 500 to convert the space to a drum room and iso booths. Decisions, decisions.
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 26, 2018 11:53:06 GMT -6
I think the only way a multi room situation works is if there is an initial party that purchases / leases a facility, and builds it out themselves. Warning: off-topic comment! Bill, I just took another look at Jeff Hedback's site and saw pics of your room again. It's a beautiful space; I particularly like the way the window at your back has been dealt with. Very nice- and removable. I look at my space: the family room where my mix rig sits (where I also record), which backs into my kitchen, and the stone/wood flooring, shuttered windows, fireplace, etc, and wonder what to do. There's no treatment at all; I need to call Jeff. Now, back on topic: I would consider any partnership extremely risky. I would only do such a thing with my bandmates, who are also life-long friends. But I wonder how many band brotherhoods have been destroyed by the business end of things? Too many, I'm afraid. Not worth it. Convert your house as much as possible. That's what I'm slowly doing. I was just out looking at my garage, but I'd have to get rid of my 2012 Mustang Shelby GT 500 to convert the space to a drum room and iso booths. Decisions, decisions. Mix rig in the family room? Mustang in the garage? Duuude....
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Post by matt on Jul 26, 2018 12:11:40 GMT -6
my space: the family room where my mix rig sits Mix rig in the family room? Mustang in the garage? Duuude.... Hah, that's one advantage of no wife/no kids- I have the freedom to do what I want, when I want. Sometimes I wish my life had taken the family-of-my-own path, but it's not to be. So far anyway. But day by day I'm getting too old for it, so there it is. That's alright, I still have my guitar . . .
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Post by notneeson on Jul 26, 2018 12:13:30 GMT -6
I have a loose partnership with a friend who is more ensconced in the local music scene than myself— he gets asked to produce fairly regularly by people who know his band, or who are his guitar students etc. We have our gear pooled in a decently treated (but not purpose built) room behind his house. Between us we have more than enough gear to service full band tracking.
On his projects I help him get basic sounds, he handles tracking and then I mix. I'm compensated for my work and he is able to provide higher quality output than he would on his own which helps drive word of mouth and repeat business. Clients that come to me outside this arrangement, legacy or referrals, tend to track with me at one of two commercial rooms so there's not much conflict there. I mix at the shared spot on my rig while my partner is off gigging or working his day job at the local guitar shop. Mainly I mix unattended, if I'm bringing people into the space I try and compensate him for that. If I'm editing VO for an ad or something, he doesn't get or expect a piece— basically, I could do that at home if I really wanted, and would do if he was tracking and I was on deadline.
It's not without challenges, scheduling, overhead etc. but I think my partner would agree that there is more mutual benefit than hassle.
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Post by drbill on Jul 26, 2018 13:13:54 GMT -6
I think the only way a multi room situation works is if there is an initial party that purchases / leases a facility, and builds it out themselves. Warning: off-topic comment! Bill, I just took another look at Jeff Hedback's site and saw pics of your room again. It's a beautiful space; I particularly like the way the window at your back has been dealt with. Very nice- and removable. I look at my space: the family room where my mix rig sits (where I also record), which backs into my kitchen, and the stone/wood flooring, shuttered windows, fireplace, etc, and wonder what to do. There's no treatment at all; I need to call Jeff.. Matt - yeah, those customized acoustical diffusion shutters weren't in place for the Mix Magazine layout due to the blistering west facing sun taking out the originals - which were actually glued together and not built to AZ sun and current standards. The originals didn't last a week. But we got em right the third time. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) The poly-cylindrical diffusor was a stopgap measure until we got the shutters right, and you're right - it IS removeable, and actually, I have it removed most of the time - unless I'm doing really critical listening. The diffusion shutters are enough. They shutters are swingable like normal shutters (for a more unobstructed view if desired), and they are working awesome now. They look amazing, and helped me retain the outside - saving the vibe of the original windows and overall building layout and view. After talking with Jeff one day, he designed them overnight - just for my room - and gave them a southwestern / sedona indian-ish vibe after I took "outside from the inside" pics, and explained to him what the outside vista's meant to me, and why I bought this property. Jeff is a super great guy, talented far beyond my expectations, and made what is always a challenge (building out a studio) into a total joy. Highly recommended, and tell him I said "hi" if you chat with him.
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Post by matt on Jul 26, 2018 13:57:14 GMT -6
Warning: off-topic comment! There's no treatment at all; I need to call Jeff.. Jeff is a super great guy, talented far beyond my expectations, and made what is always a challenge (building out a studio) into a total joy. Highly recommended, and tell him I said "hi" if you chat with him. Will do. I'll be contacting him as soon as I reset my outboard. I've got another 16 space on the way and it's time to re-wire everything. It's a pain but every time I do it my cable runs get neater and make more sense. Moving the Mac this time too. I seem to end up doing this sort of thing every two years or so- my ideas change, the equipment list expands, and things move around accordingly!
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Post by drbill on Jul 26, 2018 14:52:17 GMT -6
Matt - if you need Mogami snakes, misc cables or patch bays, I have a whole ton that I'm selling. bp
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Post by matt on Jul 26, 2018 16:16:56 GMT -6
Matt - if you need Mogami snakes, misc cables or patch bays, I have a whole ton that I'm selling. bp Thanks, I'll let you know if I need anything via PM.
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Post by rowmat on Jul 26, 2018 17:31:36 GMT -6
I have a loose partnership with a friend who is more ensconced in the local music scene than myself— he gets asked to produce fairly regularly by people who know his band, or who are his guitar students etc. We have our gear pooled in a decently treated (but not purpose built) room behind his house. Between us we have more than enough gear to service full band tracking..." This is almost exactly my situation. I have known my studio partner almost 30 years and after crossing paths again with him about four years ago we decided to work together. His place (a dedicated three room building out the back of his house) and 80% of the gear is mine. He produces, plays in several bands with well known artists, brings in the clients and has access to just about anyone you can think of in the country if we need session players. I engineer, do all the tech, acoustic treatment, co-mix, take the photos and run the website and social media. The 'sum of the parts' as they say. The only down side is the money as we split it 50/50. I know guys who run everything on their own and obviously make twice as much individually but it can be a hard slog and burnouts are a indeed a risk.
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Post by keymod on Jul 27, 2018 3:18:22 GMT -6
And then there's my situation. Found this house, with purpose-built studio, in total disrepair three years ago. Renovated the house and studio into a dream come true. My day gig prevents me from enjoying it and using it as it should be. I would love to have some other Engineers and musicians reap the benefits of my hard work and bring this place back to life.
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Post by joseph on Jul 27, 2018 20:49:27 GMT -6
If you appreciate real acoustic space then do it because you enjoy it, much like anything about taste.
I think first step is to see whether you like being in a studio or whether you just like the sound of nice rooms. To be honest a lot of "real" studios sound like shit too.
I think a mobile rig and nice mics makes more sense these days.
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Post by sean on Jul 29, 2018 9:02:40 GMT -6
Partnerships are tough, and complicated, but they don’t have to be. There will be times you feel taking advantage of, and others where you’re the one taking advantage, and hopefully it works itself out. Only way to know is it try it, and if it isn’t worth it unplug and move on.
I almost got involved with another studio but as we were building out the room I got a better understanding of how the dynamic was, how the finances worked, and decide to back out. Those things will reveal themselves.
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