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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 16, 2018 17:02:09 GMT -6
I've tried quite a few great mics. The vintage U67 and the Chandler REDD were the most magical for my voice. Of course, the board, studio, engineer and performance all contribute, but in general, THIS is the basic sound I've been trying to get. Anyone have any idea what the vocal chain might be?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 16, 2018 17:10:13 GMT -6
Just found out the producer was Bob Sargeant. I couldn't find an email or contact number to ask him about it though.
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Post by drbill on Jul 16, 2018 17:17:00 GMT -6
No way of knowing, but it sounds llike an 67 into Neve.
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Post by happychap on Jul 16, 2018 17:38:25 GMT -6
Bill Price engineered, recorded at Wessex Sound Studio, 1985. Unfortunately, Bill passed away in 2016.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2018 17:58:05 GMT -6
I’ll ask Pete
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Post by matt on Jul 16, 2018 18:09:51 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2018 18:21:59 GMT -6
I keed, I keed
I DID stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2018 18:22:57 GMT -6
I've tried quite a few great mics. The vintage U67 and the Chandler REDD were the most magical for my voice. Of course, the board, studio, engineer and performance all contribute, but in general, THIS is the basic sound I've been trying to get. Anyone have any idea what the vocal chain might be? Yeah, sounds like a 67 to me
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2018 18:23:23 GMT -6
Kind of a thin one too
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2018 18:32:22 GMT -6
Still think some of the most intimate and amazing vocals are The Beatles. I'm REALLY jonesing for a good 47/48
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Post by matt on Jul 16, 2018 18:36:15 GMT -6
Man, I went through a serious Pete phase some years back. Scoop, Another Scoop- became lost in his catalog. A musical genius.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 16, 2018 20:03:48 GMT -6
I guess the 67 sound just gets to me. I heard no unnatural sibilance either on that track. I've actually met Pete a couple of times and chatted for a few minutes. If I ever see him again, I'll ask about the signal chain. I should be getting the Stam SA67 in the next shipping batch, I missed the current one. Hopefully it cures my 67 jones.
I'm very interested in the Golden Age GA47 too. It has a proprietary capsule that's like a cross between the 47 and 67 sound, which could be right up my alley. I'm very hopeful about the Stam though, his SA73 sure does what it's supposed to do beautifully and gives me confidence his 67 will be really good.
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Post by rowmat on Jul 16, 2018 20:22:10 GMT -6
My understanding (I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong) is the U67 uses a high frequency de-emphasis circuit to tame the capsule resonance which falls in the sibilance range thus smoothing out the upper frequencies. I think my U77 (KK67 capsule) also has a similar circuit as it has the cleanest, least sibilant response of any LDC mic I have heard while still maintaining fantastic detail and clarity in the high end.
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Post by yotonic on Jul 16, 2018 20:28:02 GMT -6
Geesh ^ Another guy who stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 16, 2018 20:35:48 GMT -6
My benchmark vocal sound has long been Lyle Lovette's "Road to Ensenada". That was done with a black U67 through custom Massenberg pre's and compressors. Perhaps it's Pete's voice, but I hear even more purity here.
I wonder if the new Stam SA67 uses that same circuit.
Thanks for that info HappyChap.
John, check out the GA47 if you're jonesing, I have a hunch it's a winner.
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Post by yotonic on Jul 16, 2018 20:40:35 GMT -6
I personally think it has more to do with the production in this particular track than the chain. And I suspect it resonates so much with you because your vocal stylings are similar. I'd pay close attention to the arrangement, the part of his vocal register he sticks in for the song, his breathing, and general projection, which (like Ryan Adams) has a lot to do with how much "edge" and resonance he is putting on his delivery. That cuts more than any 67. That's why when you hear him live it still sounds amazing.
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Post by hadaja on Jul 16, 2018 20:47:19 GMT -6
^ I like what he has to say about vocal technique. Good points Yotonic.
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Post by M57 on Jul 16, 2018 20:50:09 GMT -6
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Post by bram on Jul 16, 2018 21:02:32 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 16, 2018 21:17:04 GMT -6
Funny yotonic should mention vocal technique. I think he's spot on. I put a guitar/vocal demo of a song together today for a mature amateur songwriter. She loved what I did compared to a demo she had done in Nashville previously. The Nashville track was flawless, beautifully played, engineered and mastered. It did sound a lot like a John Denver track though, very pure, and she wanted some grit and vibe. I forgot to pay attention to vocal technique and just sang, we didn't have a lot of time or a big budget. It came out pretty good, but I now hear a little more rasp than I normally have. It's a good reminder to pay more attention to technique next time I'm tracking and I need to stop hesitating to be plain and clear sometimes.
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Post by svart on Jul 16, 2018 21:23:05 GMT -6
My understanding (I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong) is the U67 uses a high frequency de-emphasis circuit to tame the capsule resonance which falls in the sibilance range thus smoothing out the upper frequencies. I think my U77 (KK67 capsule) also has a similar circuit as it has the cleanest, least sibilant response of any LDC mic I have heard while still maintaining fantastic detail and clarity in the high end. It does, but it also incorporates the transformer windings too. It's not just a circuit, but integral with how the mic works and helps define it's sound.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 16, 2018 21:43:44 GMT -6
Just found out it was an SSL board, at Wessex studios.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2018 22:03:20 GMT -6
Here's another fantastic vocal
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 16, 2018 22:08:57 GMT -6
Adams is just such an amazing vocalist. He's done so many songs that have given me so much enjoyment for so many years. I'm thinking U47 on this one, no?
We're talking about holy grail vocal sound right now, but his song "Two" has been my mastering reference track for a long time, Perfect, bass, piano, two acoustics and vocal mixing, and the level is quite high, but not crazy high.
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Post by yotonic on Jul 16, 2018 22:12:13 GMT -6
He's 47 on vox and 67 on acoustic guitar. I have a couple of nice Harmony guitars and they really are great for this because they stay pulled back volume wise without losing full tone and note separation. Really great to write with. Mine sound exactly like that, which is also now his trademark sound.
What I love about Ryan is that he's never "in his own head" when he's singing, you never hear him listening to himself and trying to sound good. He is conversational in tone and just singing the song like a narrator, and the vox fall where they fall. I'm sure part of that is his own personality and swag, but the other part is the seasoned skill of knowing to "be in the song" and not "in your head" listening to your own performance.
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