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Post by jcoutu1 on May 17, 2019 20:52:18 GMT -6
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Post by stam on May 17, 2019 23:37:12 GMT -6
PM please so I can have a look Which components do you believe we should fix? We are not going to do that. The unit is perfect as it is. It is the only accurate 1073 sounding replica I have tested in the market. Every component in there is meant to be there and was chosen to be there. We are not going to worsen the unit. I still don't know by what you mean by Chinese bullshit If you could be more clear that would help. I haven't accused you of anything man. I just said that if people on here are freaking out about parts, I'd want my unit to come after the concerns have been dealt with. Also, I didn't say that you use "Chinese bullshit." I said that people would "call bullshit" on Chinese parts. This is an American expression for saying "something isn't as advertised." My comment about "Chinese parts" was a reaction to reading: I thought those were supposed to be polystyrene? The ones I saw in the pictures a couple posts ago in the eq section were IC MWR which are run of the mill (and chinese) metalized polyster film capacitors. IC actually has a pretty bad rep as far as capacitor quality. Their electrolytic caps were notorious for failing in cheap fender tube amps. I'm definitely going to swap those things out in mine! I'll get original transistors as well and will only install after making sure the critical measured properties are met. I'm disappointed by those changes made by Stam. Of course, I haven't heard my unit yet but I really don't want to have the issue in frequency response. Unacceptable to me. I'm not critiquing you. I'm a customer that wouldn't be able to identify these things on his own. When I see someone in a respected DIY community claiming that they visibly see Chinese parts, it seems reasonable to raise a concern after putting $1000 in and reading a few pages of threads confirming that parts were swapped from the announced design (Toshiba transistors, carbon comp resistors, etc.) I think you make great units dude. I detected animosity in your reply and want to assure you that we are on the same team. I have said nothing with the intention of insult and sincerely apologize if any was taken. I appreciate your comment and did not take offense by it. Thank you for clarifying regardless and I appreciate the compliment on my work. I don't care about money and the money it costs to make something, it was always been my philosophy. I will use only the best I can find on the audio path, anything that passes audio will be the best I can get. I then price the units. The 1073EQ at 790 for those who pre-ordered left pretty much no profit. None. I did this because I believed I could later sell tons at 990 stock price and compensate for it. I could have built it like others for 300 dollars less, I could have used what others used as capacitors on EQ, no Vishay's, No Carnhill inductors, etc..., but I didn't, I chose the best of the best and auditioned every part, this is why I was late in the first place, to make sure it sounded perfect and identical to a Neve 1073. I even had original Marinairs dissected (several times) to match the low end on them. I was an absolute pain to deal with for my suppliers but I did in pursue on sonic perfection. Then somebody comes here, registers and makes his first post about me using bad capacitors on the EQ, criticizing the components I chose, saying they have a bad reputation, saying the use to fail in tube amps and that he is going to swap them and that he is disappointed. It all sounds a bit fishy to me and it certainly pisses me off.
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Post by Derek Reese on May 18, 2019 4:21:34 GMT -6
Nice room and nice gear ;-) Wow
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Post by askomiko on May 18, 2019 8:17:06 GMT -6
Stam, do you have ideas for what causes that kink in the mid frequency eq?
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Post by Derek Reese on May 18, 2019 8:44:07 GMT -6
Stam, do you have ideas for what causes that kink in the mid frequency eq? I do remember the very same thing happening to my BAE 1073eq,s even after Avedis worked on my units. You boosted the eq all the way correct ?
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Post by stam on May 18, 2019 10:01:16 GMT -6
Stam, do you have ideas for what causes that kink in the mid frequency eq? It's a peculiar circuit frequency plot when some inductors and capacitors are chosen. Nothing special, it's non audible and it happens on the most expensive replicas and some originals units I have tried as well (not sure if they were recapped) We are manufacturing audio gear, not medical devices. Ears are the boss.
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on May 18, 2019 11:24:49 GMT -6
Then somebody comes here, registers and makes his first post about me using bad capacitors on the EQ, criticizing the components I chose, saying they have a bad reputation, saying the use to fail in tube amps and that he is going to swap them and that he is disappointed. It all sounds a bit fishy to me and it certainly pisses me off. It struck me after the fact that I might even have been trolled by one of your competitors. Someone says "Chinese parts" and I freak out as if I'm recording the Stones and Keith Richards is gonna be up my a** about a cap in the circuit... I'm embarrassed and learned a HUGE lesson, sorry again!
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Post by kcatthedog on May 18, 2019 11:29:55 GMT -6
Beware the new members with few posts but very opinionated and critical views.
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Post by Derek Reese on May 18, 2019 12:42:42 GMT -6
Hey Joshua is your 12k shaft 1/4 ? On your 1073eq ? I think that is a standard size,just thought I’d ask you. Thank you.
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Post by askomiko on May 18, 2019 12:45:55 GMT -6
Stam, do you have ideas for what causes that kink in the mid frequency eq? I do remember the very same thing happening to my BAE 1073eq,s even after Avedis worked on my units. You boosted the eq all the way correct ? No, gain on zero, just having the frequency selector on any of the three highest settings does it.
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Post by christopher on May 18, 2019 13:05:46 GMT -6
Nothing to worry about. Here’s HEeq73jr sine sweep on the way up you can see the notch. On the way back down the notch is filled. Probably software or it’s just the way this circuit behaves. ibb.co/Vq8Ymgdibb.co/rxyzPYk
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Post by Derek Reese on May 18, 2019 14:15:28 GMT -6
I do remember the very same thing happening to my BAE 1073eq,s even after Avedis worked on my units. You boosted the eq all the way correct ? No, gain on zero, just having the frequency selector on any of the three highest settings does it. That’s what I meant to say, yes the same thing happened to me. I don’t think this is abnormal at all, secondly when would you ever boost anything that much ?
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Post by christopher on May 18, 2019 15:47:19 GMT -6
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from pro audio, it’s that things rarely ever go exactly as expected. I can’t say why there’s a notch when sweeping from low to high, while sweeping high to low, there’s no notch. I can guess that it maybe some sort of cumulative voltage thing, with large lower frequencies building the notch (maybe magnetically?), until at a certain frequency the sweep acts like a bias and shakes it loose? (like a demagnitizer?)Yet when starting at a high frequency and moving down, it’s acting as a bias so no notch is built up? Just a total guess here, I could also blame it on the humidity I guess. But it doesn’t matter because music doesn’t do solo’d sine sweeps. Only analyzers ..and some software probably only sweep from low to high, not both ways.. so it shows up? Doesn’t show up in white noise, so we are good.
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Post by Derek Reese on May 18, 2019 16:01:57 GMT -6
Everyone should stop doing tests, and searching for something wrong. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it is my thought. just enjoy your beautiful 1073eq ;-) Music music and more Music.
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Post by jakeboy on May 18, 2019 17:25:41 GMT -6
I love my 1073mpa...I know’s is not the eq, but.. . it simply sounds vintage... and along with my BLA-73, I have 3 killer Neve-type inputs to track on. I must say, I prefer Stam.
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Post by swurveman on May 19, 2019 7:07:06 GMT -6
Beware the new members with few posts but very opinionated and critical views. Also, beware of posters who registered six months ago and half of their posts are how great Stam products are.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 19, 2019 8:00:15 GMT -6
It’s a no-win situation. Give it praise, you’re fan boy/plant...criticize and you’re a troll/plant. Guess that’s a good reason to build relationships and reputations on a forum.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 19, 2019 8:54:04 GMT -6
I don’t think anybody here takes issue with fair comment: positive or negative, but it is preferred when peeps substantiate their opinions?
For example, if Josh is changing parts, he may do it for good reason, but better to be transparent about the reasons and benefits or lack of detriments, as not being so invites confusion and questions?
But if someone is critical about specific things but don’t or can’t substantiate their opinions, that does seem questionable as are overly positive comments although peeps are welcome to their opinions.
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Post by Derek Reese on May 19, 2019 9:08:47 GMT -6
At this point i couldn’t care less if there were rusty soda cans inside, as long as it sounds great I am happy !
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Post by stam on May 19, 2019 10:45:43 GMT -6
Beware the new members with few posts but very opinionated and critical views. Also, beware of posters who registered six months ago and half of their posts are how great Stam products are. Why?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 19, 2019 11:01:22 GMT -6
I guess he’s talking about Jakeboy...I looked at the last thirty or so posts and there was a lot of praise for the SA67 he got. He’s a witch!
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Post by swurveman on May 19, 2019 11:24:40 GMT -6
IC is not a Chinese company. (Illinois capacitors) and these filters sound perform the same job the same as the original. I would highly recommend you DO NOT swap them out. Their website states that they are a Chicago based company. They have factories in Europe, Mexico, China, etc.. as most manufacturers these days. I have no dog in this fight, but according to this information Illinois Capacitors components were manufactured in Chicago, Illinois until 1969, when for competitive reasons, equipment and production moved to Asia and Italy. They were also recently aquired by a South Carolina Company named Cornell Dubilier. I was interested, because in my business there are all kinds of American companies that used to manufacture in the US, but were bought and their products are now all manufactured in China, but warehoused and distributed in America.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 19, 2019 14:06:17 GMT -6
Make America Great Again
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Post by strictlyanalog on May 20, 2019 0:58:32 GMT -6
strictlyanalog Speaking of answers and as someone interested in this unit, could you please specify the exact parts you are claiming are cheap Chinese parts by their board placement number and their specific part number? Thx. I was referring to the Illinois Capaciotr MWR capacitors in the LCR network in the EQ section (the yello tubular ones). These are polyester metalized film capacitors which aren't really the best capacitors to use in this application. Polystyrene capacitors would typically be a better choice. I've asked Josh to point out where the polystyrene capacitors are that he said are in his unit but I haven't received a reply yet. I'm not trying to discredit anyone; I'm simply trying to get the straight facts which I don't think is too much to ask. Yes, I'm a new memember here. Who am I? I'm just a nobody with a small home studio that knows a little bit about audio electronics. Take it for what it's worth. All in all, I agree with the sentiment that as long as it sounds good, who cares, but I think one can still have that sentiment while seeking the truth. If you bought an Avedis E27 with the Avedis 1122 Opamps but you received a unit with a cheap knockoff opamp and it didn't sound like your buddies genuine unit, would you be cool with it?
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Post by forgotteng on May 20, 2019 1:32:19 GMT -6
This is the only day and age that consumers can go on an international forum and demand a designer and manufacturer give them details on individual parts. It just seems a little ridiculous to me. Josh is way more accommodating then I would be. Imagine a band coming to you and demanding to know every single plug in or eq setting you used on a mix. Am I wrong?
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