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Post by petertjed on Apr 6, 2018 8:43:09 GMT -6
My first post here at the Forum! (after reading a lot :-))
I would like to have more outputs at 24/96 with the same quality. With which interface did you replace the bla 002R signature?
I'm looking at a motu 16a and a used symphony mk1, but without a bla mod they aren't in the ballpark with the bla 002r signature rating.
Best regards,
Peter
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Post by ericn on Apr 6, 2018 9:21:12 GMT -6
My first post here at the Forum! (after reading a lot :-)) I would like to have more outputs at 24/96 with the same quality. With which interface did you replace the bla 002R signature? I'm looking at a motu 16a and a used symphony mk1, but without a bla mod they aren't in the ballpark with the bla 002r signature rating. Best regards, Peter The BLA signature is something special but in many ways many stock converters have caught up but you will find them to be different. If you want the Sonics of the BLA you are probably going to pay more than what your looking at good luck!
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Post by WKG on Apr 6, 2018 9:38:28 GMT -6
Never used an 002R with the mods but I had an 003R signature for a while. Ended up replacing it with an RME UFX when Avid announced they were going to end support for the 003 line and have been happy as a clam. The BLA modded unit may have been a hair more open but it was pretty much splitting hairs to me. Funny thing, the UFX has been way more stable with PT than the 003R ever was.
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Post by jtc111 on Apr 6, 2018 9:56:50 GMT -6
I had an 003. I dumped it for a UAD Apollo and I've had no regrets at all about that.
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 6, 2018 10:20:43 GMT -6
My first post here at the Forum! (after reading a lot :-)) I would like to have more outputs at 24/96 with the same quality. With which interface did you replace the bla 002R signature? I'm looking at a motu 16a and a used symphony mk1, but without a bla mod they aren't in the ballpark with the bla 002r signature rating. Best regards, Peter I'd say they're very much in same ball park. Different? Yes. But the 16a is a very quality piece. When the bla 002 mod came out most prosumer stuff wasn't very good, but now even cheapo interfaces have come a long way. I used to own a bla mod mou 2408. Now I have Motu 828mkiii and it's every bit as good. I know some people get religious about conversion but imho these days you can get any quality interface and not have to worry about conversion quality.
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Post by ragan on Apr 6, 2018 12:11:16 GMT -6
I had a BLA Signature 003+ and I compared it with the original Silverface Apollo for a week or two. Kept the Apollo and sold the BLA 003. The Apollo just sounded better to me. Then I got the Blackface Apollo, which sounded better than the Silverface. Then I got the Symphony MKII, which sounds better than the Blackface Apollo (a little).
All subjective stuff but I sure wish I didn't spend like $1800 modding that 003 (which'd I'd spent like $2k on already). That's the biggest haircut I've ever taken on gear. I mean, a big part of that was that Avid abandoned the 00x line. But still. $3800 into that 003+. Sold it for $1200 (which I was lucky to get).
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Post by matt on Apr 6, 2018 12:43:37 GMT -6
My first post here at the Forum! (after reading a lot :-)) I would like to have more outputs at 24/96 with the same quality imho these days you can get any quality interface and not have to worry about conversion quality. Peter, first, welcome to RGO! Second, I completely agree with T- IMO the studio, production values, engineering skills, hardware, cabling, microphones, hiss from amps and "vintage" plugins, etc, etc, etc, far outweigh the last few dBs of dynamic range above 117 or so (or perhaps even lower. 110?). And then there's the song itself. Great songs performed by great artists stand apart from just about everything technical in the studio. Thousands of hits from every era continue to prove this over and over. I own a Symphony MK1 with 8 analog/24 digital ins and 24 analog outs. If I started over I'd look at UA Apollo, Focusrite, Antelope, or MOTO as you mention. These days I'd value workflow, signal routing, integration with Pro Tools, ease of use, and whether there's onboard effects more than specs. The quality of my music is limited by my skills as a songwriter, performer, and engineer, not by the Symphony. This is something I'm finally learning, and I could have saved a lot of cash if I didn't chase specs myself when I was building up my studio. Good luck with whatever you choose- I'm sure it will be great!
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Post by jeromemason on Apr 6, 2018 12:48:48 GMT -6
The 16a will blow the doors off an 002 bla signature...... It's not even close.
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Post by hadaja on Apr 6, 2018 19:45:18 GMT -6
I found the Focusrite Clarett Pre was a big upgrade to my non modded Digi 003R. Loving the lower latency with Thunderbolt as well. It did sound a fair bit clearer. Going from my DIgi 002 to Digi 003 was a big difference. Now going form the 003 to the Clartte Pre has the same big difference.
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Post by petertjed on Apr 7, 2018 10:59:16 GMT -6
Thanks for the response!
So the ratings on the site of BLA are not really correct....
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 7, 2018 11:08:48 GMT -6
I like bla, but no, I wouldn't trust those ratings.
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2018 11:51:11 GMT -6
Thanks for the response! So the ratings on the site of BLA are not really correct.... They are written by BLA so just a tad biased!
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Post by yotonic on Apr 7, 2018 18:24:37 GMT -6
I just picked up a Symphony MK1 2x6 for $900 on Reverb. They are really dropping in price.
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Post by jtc111 on Apr 7, 2018 20:57:17 GMT -6
Thanks for the response! So the ratings on the site of BLA are not really correct.... I took a look at their site and those ratings. Apparently, BLA doesn't think anyone is making an interface that sounds good.
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2018 13:44:49 GMT -6
Thanks for the response! So the ratings on the site of BLA are not really correct.... I took a look at their site and those ratings. Apparently, BLA doesn't think anyone is making an interface that sounds good. Well they are in the modding biz😎 Seriously though everything is made to a price point. There is also the subjective audio priorities and engineering priorities so there you go.
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Post by petertjed on Apr 8, 2018 15:25:41 GMT -6
When I got my bla 002R and replaced the standard digi 002R, it was like there was a dull sounding blanket removed and heard a lot more details. So I wanna keep this quality.
I think the best way is to check the the other interfaces and listen. And wil take the rating from BLA not too literally ;-).
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Post by jdc on Apr 9, 2018 7:24:53 GMT -6
I have a bla 002r sig mod and upgraded to a 16a when it came out.
The 16a is only digital conversion so you'll be replacing all of your preamps and that's where you'll notice a big sonic discrepancy. The better preamps you get the happier you'll be. I think CAPI is the best price to performance ratio and would recommend starting there.
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Post by petertjed on Apr 9, 2018 13:45:37 GMT -6
I din't use the pre-amps on the bla 002r sig. I use AML-500-1073's not bad either ;-). Did you tried an other clock on your 16a?
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Post by ericn on Apr 10, 2018 6:51:38 GMT -6
As said in other threads this might be a good time to wait till the new Sabre chips become more common!
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Post by jdc on Apr 10, 2018 7:27:07 GMT -6
I clock it to the bla micro clock mkii and notice an improvement
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Post by svart on Apr 10, 2018 7:31:55 GMT -6
When I got my bla 002R and replaced the standard digi 002R, it was like there was a dull sounding blanket removed and heard a lot more details. So I wanna keep this quality. I think the best way is to check the the other interfaces and listen. And wil take the rating from BLA not too literally ;-). Pretty much any professional interface is at this level compared to a digi002.
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Post by svart on Apr 10, 2018 11:07:39 GMT -6
Thanks for the response! So the ratings on the site of BLA are not really correct.... I took a look at their site and those ratings. Apparently, BLA doesn't think anyone is making an interface that sounds good. Just look at any of the modding companies.. Joly, JW, BLA, etc.. Nothing is ever good enough according to them. Even the stuff they raved about months earlier needs mods to sound the "best" and only their mods are worthwhile and nobody can ever do anything right but them. Every post they make on these things is advertisement for their business cloaked in pseudo-educational babble.
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Post by petertjed on Apr 10, 2018 14:38:55 GMT -6
Thanx for all the response!
So i have got 3 options, wait a little on new interfaces with the Sabre chips, go for the motu 16a, or find a secondhand Apogee Symphony.
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Post by petertjed on Jun 11, 2018 13:24:33 GMT -6
Have been reading about the motu 16a here on the forum, so a lot of you use an external clock with this interface. Is there a big improvement?
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Post by jdc on Jun 11, 2018 13:42:24 GMT -6
Yes
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