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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 19, 2019 6:58:59 GMT -6
Just so the info is out there, mine was built by Billy Pratt at Audibility Recording. Billy is really great to work with and does a fantastic job. Easy to find him on Reverb. Cool! How much did that cost in total? Pretty easy to price it out on Reverb. Some of it was working direct with Billy as well. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 8, 2020 7:37:48 GMT -6
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Nevermind, I just went back and reminded myself that you have to purchase an add on ACA card for the second bus.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 8, 2020 11:42:37 GMT -6
I have a sumbus being built by Billy as well ... I'm new to summing, is it feasible to hit hardware eqs/comps/etc from the output before going to the summing input? Rather than using inserts in the daw?
I guess ill find out soon enough lol, it seems like it should be fine... wonder if anyone here does that already? I'm using an auto patch XBAY so it makes routing / recall easy.
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Post by ericn on Jul 8, 2020 11:49:27 GMT -6
I have a sumbus being built by Billy as well ... I'm new to summing, is it feasible to hit hardware eqs/comps/etc from the output before going to the summing input? Rather than using inserts in the daw? I guess ill find out soon enough lol, it seems like it should be fine... wonder if anyone here does that already? I'm using an auto patch XBAY so it makes routing / recall easy. Yes, the thing is you have to decide on a case by case basis if you want to drive the hardware or not. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 8, 2020 13:44:51 GMT -6
I have a sumbus being built by Billy as well ... I'm new to summing, is it feasible to hit hardware eqs/comps/etc from the output before going to the summing input? Rather than using inserts in the daw? I guess ill find out soon enough lol, it seems like it should be fine... wonder if anyone here does that already? I'm using an auto patch XBAY so it makes routing / recall easy. Yep, that's what it's for. To keep it simple, it is basically just the back half of a console. How do you like the Xbay? |
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 8, 2020 14:43:32 GMT -6
Appreciate the replies guys! thanks, i figured thats kinda the point.
Loving the xbay, totally changed everything workflow wise. It's the center hub. I think the combo of XBAY with a capi sumbus is going to be some next level hybrid. You can recall I/O setups instantly, drop diff outboard in easily. I think it will be perfect match for sumbus.
Like any new tech, there has been a couple of small issues, im still working out which should be resolved in Ver2 which should be coming soon... customer service has been above and beyond, one of the best experiences from any audio company. Also I was shown a picture of their newest VER2 512 i/o and needless to see its beastmode haha. I'll see if I can get permission to post the pic.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 12, 2020 21:54:24 GMT -6
I have a sumbus being built by Billy as well ... I'm new to summing, is it feasible to hit hardware eqs/comps/etc from the output before going to the summing input? Rather than using inserts in the daw? I guess ill find out soon enough lol, it seems like it should be fine... wonder if anyone here does that already? I'm using an auto patch XBAY so it makes routing / recall easy. Great call working w/Billy. My hybrid setup is 16 out going into a patchbay then into Speck faders then into the Sumbus. I'd think if you put your XBAY ahead of the Sumbus, you can drive/route whatever you want and then bring it back into the Sumbus out to your stereo chain, etc. |
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 13, 2020 14:37:10 GMT -6
Yeah he's been awesome so far w/ the build ... Keeping me in the loop, heard lots of great things about his builds so I'm pretty confident it will be great!
Those speck faders look awesome! I've never heard of them, hows it working for you? Having tactical faders to control would be the icing on the cake, damn haha
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 13, 2020 15:31:54 GMT -6
I am hoping to use Jeff's ML2 Faders with my Sumbuss once I get mine. Easier recall that way. Then use my Solo8 automation units in between those.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 19, 2020 21:16:00 GMT -6
Yeah he's been awesome so far w/ the build ... Keeping me in the loop, heard lots of great things about his builds so I'm pretty confident it will be great! Those speck faders look awesome! I've never heard of them, hows it working for you? Having tactical faders to control would be the icing on the cake, damn haha Love the Speck faders. Very well built and they have a really good feel to them. Really just about what workflow you're going for and certainly not a must-have. But, not having to reach for the damn mouse to mute or solo is pretty nice. My whole journey has been hands on and they are such a great part of it. |
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 30, 2020 6:55:32 GMT -6
Love the Speck faders. Very well built and they have a really good feel to them. Really just about what workflow you're going for and certainly not a must-have. But, not having to reach for the damn mouse to mute or solo is pretty nice. My whole journey has been hands on and they are such a great part of it. I ended up upgrading to 32 channels for my CAPI Sumbus being built by Billy. It's shipping to Canada so I figured, buy once? lol But now the Speck faders might not work, see it only comes in 16 channels, Guess I could get two side by side? Maybe they could print one case for me 17-32 instead Lol .. hmmm btw do you use the pan control on your Speck faders much? Or do you do your panning in the daw before outputting it? |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 30, 2020 12:44:13 GMT -6
Love the Speck faders. Very well built and they have a really good feel to them. Really just about what workflow you're going for and certainly not a must-have. But, not having to reach for the damn mouse to mute or solo is pretty nice. My whole journey has been hands on and they are such a great part of it. btw do you use the pan control on your Speck faders much? Or do you do your panning in the daw before outputting it? I bought the 16-channel version that is faders only, so everything else gets done ITB. Awesome on your SumBus and using Billy though! He's a good guy and does great work. |
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 30, 2020 13:41:46 GMT -6
btw do you use the pan control on your Speck faders much? Or do you do your panning in the daw before outputting it? I bought the 16-channel version that is faders only, so everything else gets done ITB. Awesome on your SumBus and using Billy though! He's a good guy and does great work. Yah, I've heard great things/reviews about him. So excited to get my hands on it! Ahh cool makes sense, I think the solo/pan knobs on the M+ version of the speck is only if you are using it for summing so it would be a bit redundant I'm gonna decide between a daw controller like the ICONs pro G or Get the fader only version that you've got ... Do you think there is much difference in setting levels before outputting? I mean to say, do you think one is to gain any sonic advantage setting the levels from line out signals like the Speck does? A solid daw controller would be better for recall and still give some tactile... but end of the day its about how it sounds haha. Thanks for the feedback, not many people have this setup and It is near impossible to A/B for myself, so scouring the forums looking for some current users. thanks a ton! cheers |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 30, 2020 14:16:39 GMT -6
I bought the 16-channel version that is faders only, so everything else gets done ITB. Awesome on your SumBus and using Billy though! He's a good guy and does great work. Do you think there is much difference in setting levels before outputting? Not at all. I think you'd be able to drive it as much as you want straight out of your converters. I just really prefer the hands on, and it's nice just to be able to quickly do faders down instead of reaching for the trackball to find the solo buttons, etc. Not a problem, man! I hear you on having to jump in with little or no examples. I spent a lot of time reading up on it and went in on Jeff's description of it, mainly. As good as his other gear is, I figured it was going to be badass. And it is/was. And that was coming from a B32 which I also loved as well. The SumBus is really special, IMO. (If you're into the whole summing thing, lol.) |
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 30, 2020 15:22:32 GMT -6
Awesome! I think I might just end up going the DAW controller route, leaning towards the Icon Pro G2. Recall and some more functions seem worth it... Thanks for confirming re: outputting like that... I am soo stoked for the sumbus, ps. I checked out your soundcloud and the mixes sound amazing, making me even more excited for the sumbus (knowing of course thats one small peice of the whole pie) and of course having really great songs never hurts as well! hahaha, anyways
cheers! I'll post an update when my setup is all finished
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 30, 2020 16:01:00 GMT -6
Awesome! I think I might just end up going the DAW controller route, leaning towards the Icon Pro G2. Recall and some more functions seem worth it... Thanks for confirming re: outputting like that... I am soo stoked for the sumbus, ps. I checked out your soundcloud and the mixes sound amazing, making me even more excited for the sumbus (knowing of course thats one small peice of the whole pie) and of course having really great songs never hurts as well! hahaha, anyways cheers! I'll post an update when my setup is all finished Thanks so much for that, shakermaker! I really appreciate the comments. A lot of other things for sure, but the SumBus was a big part of those tunes. I do not think you will be disappointed and 32 channels will give you a lifetime of options! |
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Post by craigmorris74 on Aug 30, 2020 17:36:22 GMT -6
Do you think there is much difference in setting levels before outputting? Not at all. I think you'd be able to drive it as much as you want straight out of your converters. I just really prefer the hands on, and it's nice just to be able to quickly do faders down instead of reaching for the trackball to find the solo buttons, etc. Not a problem, man! I hear you on having to jump in with little or no examples. I spent a lot of time reading up on it and went in on Jeff's description of it, mainly. As good as his other gear is, I figured it was going to be badass. And it is/was. And that was coming from a B32 which I also loved as well. The SumBus is really special, IMO. (If you're into the whole summing thing, lol.) One thing I've run into when using a summing device with no faders is if you end up using hardware in between your converters and the summing device, if you want to do any volume adjustments after the hardware pieces, you need analog faders. Adjusting level ITB just controls now much signal your push into the hardware (you end up hitting the compressor harder, giving you more compression, not.more.volume). For example, I often have my drums running into 1 or 2 1176s during mixdown, and sometimes I want to boost their level a dB of two during louder sections without affecting the compression, so I had to come up with an analog fader solution. If I had the cash, I would have bought the Speck fader box. Since I didnt, I bought some used Penny and Giles faders, built some fader buffers using kits from JLM audio, and put them in an aluminum box. Works great. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 30, 2020 19:50:47 GMT -6
Not at all. I think you'd be able to drive it as much as you want straight out of your converters. I just really prefer the hands on, and it's nice just to be able to quickly do faders down instead of reaching for the trackball to find the solo buttons, etc. Not a problem, man! I hear you on having to jump in with little or no examples. I spent a lot of time reading up on it and went in on Jeff's description of it, mainly. As good as his other gear is, I figured it was going to be badass. And it is/was. And that was coming from a B32 which I also loved as well. The SumBus is really special, IMO. (If you're into the whole summing thing, lol.) One thing I've run into when using a summing device with no faders is if you end up using hardware in between your converters and the summing device, if you want to do any volume adjustments after the hardware pieces, you need analog faders. Adjusting level ITB just controls now much signal your push into the hardware (you end up hitting the compressor harder, giving you more compression, not.more.volume). For example, I often have my drums running into 1 or 2 1176s during mixdown, and sometimes I want to boost their level a dB of two during louder sections without affecting the compression, so I had to come up with an analog fader solution. If I had the cash, I would have bought the Speck fader box. Since I didnt, I bought some used Penny and Giles faders, built some fader buffers using kits from JLM audio, and put them in an aluminum box. Works great. Totally agree with you on that. Sounds like a really cool fader box that you put together! Another option is the Little Labs Redcloud. I've got one in between my hardware insert outputs and the converter inputs exactly for what you're describing. It's super high quality and although not fader throws, does the job nicely. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 30, 2020 23:01:46 GMT -6
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 30, 2020 23:37:23 GMT -6
Thanks for posting that. That is pretty badass. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 30, 2020 23:42:21 GMT -6
Thanks for posting that. That is pretty badass. Best way to do hybrid I think. It's what I'm doing. Only down side is panning. If you want things to move or not be 100% panned hard left or right, you have to use two channels no matter what to pan in the DAW. But with some clever thinking and routing you still can end up with a whole lot of busses to sum to. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 31, 2020 0:11:45 GMT -6
Some better info here on the ngLeveler: wesaudio.com/ngleveler/Shows some cool ways you can do the routing. I'd do the ngLever post hardware because you can always automated the DAWs volume as pre gain going to hardware. So then you effectively have pre and post gain control of your hardware inserts and then it's just pre gain before the summing stage. |
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 31, 2020 14:42:24 GMT -6
Damnnnn blackdawg!!! I thought I had it all figured out! Now you drop that, how could I have missed that gem... it looks so bad ass ... and it has HUI control.
In my never ending pursuit for the ultimate hybrid setup I believe its going to involve, the XBAY V2 (exchanging my V1 soon) for routing hard ware, ICON QCON PRO G2 32 chan as daw controller, ngLever 16ch unit as a control post hardware for more control and not get stuck hitting comps too hard etc into 32chan sumbus -> silver bullet -> dangerous AD+ / into ampex 351-2
I can't under emphasis how important the XBAY is to making this hybrid setup flow properly. I better write a couple songs tonight, hybrid mind has me going all gear sloooot lol... its a great time for audio tech. Amazing stuff
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 31, 2020 14:51:37 GMT -6
Damnnnn blackdawg!!! I thought I had it all figured out! Now you drop that, how could I have missed that gem... it looks so bad ass ... and it has HUI control. In my never ending pursuit for the ultimate hybrid setup I believe its going to involve, the XBAY V2 (exchanging my V1 soon) for routing hard ware, ICON QCON PRO G2 32 chan as daw controller, ngLever 16ch unit as a control post hardware for more control and not get stuck hitting comps too hard etc into 32chan sumbus -> silver bullet -> dangerous AD+ / into ampex 351-2 I can't under emphasis how important the XBAY is to making this hybrid setup flow properly. I better write a couple songs tonight, hybrid mind has me going all gear sloooot lol... its a great time for audio tech. Amazing stuff honestly I'd use a Eucon controller to control the DAW and then just the plugin to control the ngLeveler. HUI is not super high resolution when it comes to "steps". You'll get much better control with a econ controller like an S1 or artist controller and just using the plugin instead of using direct HUI into the ngLeveler. Though you can do bother. I haven't heard of a v2 coming out for the XBay. I'll have to look it up. I liked what they had already so much be cool. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 31, 2020 21:40:25 GMT -6
In my never ending pursuit for the ultimate hybrid setup I believe its going to involve, the XBAY V2 (exchanging my V1 soon) for routing hard ware, ICON QCON PRO G2 32 chan as daw controller, ngLever 16ch unit as a control post hardware for more control and not get stuck hitting comps too hard etc into 32chan sumbus -> silver bullet... That's a step in my flow, shakermaker. SumBus -> Silver Bullet. There's more after the SB, but I really like what they do together. |
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