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Post by jsteiger on Apr 2, 2019 18:52:26 GMT -6
So is my understanding correct that, though the 16x2 version comes with 16 input cards ready to send signal to 4 busses (A Left, A Right, B Left, B Right), it only comes with one ACA card (hence, 16x2 instead of 16x4) for the A bus and that you must purchase a second ACA card to take advantage of routing to the second L/R bus (B bus)? In other words, if purchased as is, would selecting the B bus on the input cards of the 16x2 version basically result in the signal going nowhere? If so, what is the cost of purchasing a standalone ACA card to insert in the B bus? I don't think I've seen where that is individually available for sale, but maybe I just missed it. That is correct. It’s an add on. jsteiger Yes correct you are kemosabe. We have a few different B Bus options here capi-gear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=217_219_221 |
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Post by Quint on Apr 2, 2019 18:52:38 GMT -6
So is my understanding correct that, though the 16x2 version comes with 16 input cards ready to send signal to 4 busses (A Left, A Right, B Left, B Right), it only comes with one ACA card (hence, 16x2 instead of 16x4) for the A bus and that you must purchase a second ACA card to take advantage of routing to the second L/R bus (B bus)? In other words, if purchased as is, would selecting the B bus on the input cards of the 16x2 version basically result in the signal going nowhere? If so, what is the cost of purchasing a standalone ACA card to insert in the B bus? I don't think I've seen where that is individually available for sale, but maybe I just missed it. That is correct. It’s an add on. jsteigerOk. Good to know. I don't imagine the ACA card is more than a few hundred bucks. |
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Post by Quint on Apr 2, 2019 18:54:09 GMT -6
Good deal. A 16x4 sounds pretty great. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 2, 2019 20:48:39 GMT -6
Maybe it's just me , But no "in the box" mix I've ever done, comes close to anything I've summed out to either the console, my remote Helios & Neve 8816 rig, or the Dangerous 2 BUSS+ Not once. The 2 Buss + is a beautiful piece. Me too. I love summing. Even the DIYRE $50 summing mixer with some cool mic pres is cool. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Apr 3, 2019 10:27:03 GMT -6
I'm curious too. I've yet to hear a summing mixer that made me think the improvement was worth the investment. Granted, everything I've heard has been of the "economical" variety with the exception of the Dangerous Music 2-BUS+, but I'm not sure how much of what impressed me was the sound of the summing or the extra features it has that other boxes don't. That's the thing about this unit though. Yes, it's a summing mixer, but it's so much more before it gets to that stage plus the bus output options. Totally level up from other units. Current chain with the SumBus: DAW -> B80 -> StudioPatch -> via Fader -> SumBus -> Silver Bullet -> Liaison -> Overstayer SVC -> B2 AD. SumBus setup: A Bus high nickel 2503’s + gar918 op amps B Bus Litz + Red Dots I dropped mine in place of a B32 Vancouver that I've used for three plus years and the SumBus was dramatically different and from my experience, a console-like sound. With a Speck via Fader ahead of it, it's a 16x4 monster. Just smooth, rich and glorious. The build itself was beyond my experience (and available time to devote to it), so I went with Billy from Audibility Recordings (via Reverb). His rate was very fair for the undertaking it is and he was amazing to work with. Couldn't recommend him more. I'll be using him down the line for more CAPI builds. All that said, I'd be glad to run some stems for people wanting to hear the difference this thing makes (both busses). Just PM me or whatever. |
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Post by spindrift on Apr 3, 2019 10:41:59 GMT -6
I'm curious too. I've yet to hear a summing mixer that made me think the improvement was worth the investment. Granted, everything I've heard has been of the "economical" variety with the exception of the Dangerous Music 2-BUS+, but I'm not sure how much of what impressed me was the sound of the summing or the extra features it has that other boxes don't. That's the thing about this unit though. Yes, it's a summing mixer, but it's so much more before it gets to that stage plus the bus output options. Totally level up from other units. Current chain with the SumBus: DAW -> B80 -> StudioPatch -> via Fader -> SumBus -> Silver Bullet -> Liaison -> Overstayer SVC -> B2 AD. Hi BatLanyard, what is the purpose of the via Fader in your chain? Can’t you just control the level to the SumBus via DAW buss automation? Thanks. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 3, 2019 13:21:21 GMT -6
I run the output of the Sumbus through a pair of VP28 Platinums, so that’s adding a level to it too.
Also, I’m only using 8 channels of it...can only imagine how good having more channels would sound.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Apr 3, 2019 13:27:36 GMT -6
That's the thing about this unit though. Yes, it's a summing mixer, but it's so much more before it gets to that stage plus the bus output options. Totally level up from other units. Current chain with the SumBus: DAW -> B80 -> StudioPatch -> via Fader -> SumBus -> Silver Bullet -> Liaison -> Overstayer SVC -> B2 AD. Hi BatLanyard, what is the purpose of the via Fader in your chain? Can’t you just control the level to the SumBus via DAW buss automation? Thanks. Hi spindrift, yes, totally. I just prefer to have the tactile experience when making music. |
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Post by spindrift on Apr 3, 2019 13:31:29 GMT -6
Hi BatLanyard, what is the purpose of the via Fader in your chain? Can’t you just control the level to the SumBus via DAW buss automation? Thanks. Hi spindrift, yes, totally. I just prefer to have the tactile experience when making music. Ah, totally get it! I’m thinking the Avid S3 just so I can print the automation rides with some hands on faders. Thanks for the clarification. I have a 24x4 on the way to demo! |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Apr 3, 2019 13:46:45 GMT -6
Hi spindrift, yes, totally. I just prefer to have the tactile experience when making music. Ah, totally get it! I’m thinking the Avid S3 just so I can print the automation rides with some hands on faders. Thanks for the clarification. I have a 24x4 on the way to demo! Very cool, the only thing I didn't try was an Avid controller of some sort (S3 is pricey!). Had the Mackie for a long time which was good, but the build quality of the Speck I really like. Only had it a week, but loving the control and coming hotter out of the DAW as well. Also looked hard at the Fader Mate system and discussed a standalone with them which they can do. Was just a bit more than I wanted to spend on faders. I'll probably still automate a few things in the DAW when it makes sense. 24x4 - man, that is going to be killer to demo! Only issue will be not wanting to give it back... |
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Post by spindrift on Apr 27, 2019 0:56:49 GMT -6
So, wiring up a 24 channel SumBus is a real pickle due to the way the DB25s are laid out. Going DB25 from my patchbay to the back of the SumBus, I had to Frankenstein patch together some DB25-XLRM -> XLRF-DB25 cables to get access to all 24 channels. I believe this is only an issue on the 24 channel unit but maybe the 8 channel too? I was looking at spending many hundreds of dollars on cabling to get it properly hooked up. Who wants to spend money on cabling when you can spend money on more transformers and DOAs? I ordered a 32ch from Rob @ RackNRoll instead. Rob took good care of me and it sounds AWESOME! Just doing some mixes through it this weekend. It’s a bit tough to compare apples to apples ITB vs. SumBus because of the way I am using the mono channel routing on the SumBus. But you can definitely hear the SumBus doing it’s spooky magical thing.
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Post by elcct on Jul 15, 2019 10:41:29 GMT -6
I am probably asking a stupid question, but what is the purpose of having L and R inputs on a mono channel?
I am just trying to understand the use case and how I'd wire this thing up.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 15, 2019 11:51:00 GMT -6
I am probably asking a stupid question, but what is the purpose of having L and R inputs on a mono channel? I am just trying to understand the use case and how I'd wire this thing up. Each channel is assignable as a left, right or mono input (one input per channel). In my particular setup outputs 1-4 are all mono and go into 4 channels of the SumBus. |
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Post by elcct on Jul 15, 2019 11:58:51 GMT -6
I think I understand it now. Without the assignment it wouldn't "know" what I am connecting - e.g. left channel of the stereo drum bus to 1 and right channel to 2.
I initially thought that each channel is stereo (as e.g. 8x2 would suggest two channels for each input), then I was looking at the actual module and that there is just one transformer.
So the x2 means that you can have two buses.
Thanks!
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 15, 2019 12:09:20 GMT -6
I think I understand it now. Without the assignment it wouldn't "know" what I am connecting - e.g. left channel of the stereo drum bus to 1 and right channel to 2. I initially thought that each channel is stereo (as e.g. 8x2 would suggest two channels for each input), then I was looking at the actual module and that there is just one transformer. So the x2 means that you can have two buses. Thanks! Exactly! Except 8x2 means eight inputs, two outputs, like a console, etc. |
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Post by elcct on Jul 15, 2019 12:30:54 GMT -6
Ah true!
Excellent.
After having a Silver Bullet for some time, I think I need this.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 15, 2019 20:02:40 GMT -6
Shameless GAS pic of my SumBus. You can see the mono selections on the left. Silver Bullet is right after it in the chain and does the makeup gain thing with excellence. Absolutely amazing, the SumBus. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by elcct on Jul 16, 2019 1:42:36 GMT -6
This looks nice!
I am first going to build DR ZEN2 from diy racked (got all the parts now, only waiting for PCBs) and I think 8x2 SumBus will be next.
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jul 16, 2019 13:49:35 GMT -6
Would one be ready for this build after doing 2 VP28s and 2 BT50s? Also, which of those two would be the most beginner friendly?
My experience is limited to DIYRE kits but I’m looking to move into more serious projects
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 16, 2019 15:56:02 GMT -6
Would one be ready for this build after doing 2 VP28s and 2 BT50s? Also, which of those two would be the most beginner friendly? My experience is limited to DIYRE kits but I’m looking to move into more serious projects The bt50 will be a more difficult kit than the vp28s. I think the biggest thing about building a sum buss would be just going slow and double checking everything. You have to build multiples of the same thing and one misplaced part will throw you off. Other than that it won't be much different just more of the same. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 16, 2019 16:26:27 GMT -6
Just so the info is out there, mine was built by Billy Pratt at Audibility Recording. Billy is really great to work with and does a fantastic job. Easy to find him on Reverb.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 16, 2019 16:49:27 GMT -6
Just so the info is out there, mine was built by Billy Pratt at Audibility Recording. Billy is really great to work with and does a fantastic job. Easy to find him on Reverb. Facebook too. |
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Post by roundbadge on Jul 17, 2019 3:36:01 GMT -6
Just so the info is out there, mine was built by Billy Pratt at Audibility Recording. Billy is really great to work with and does a fantastic job. Easy to find him on Reverb. Billys great. he's done all my Capi stuff. just talked yesterday. 2 more vp28's he built me arrived today. |
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Post by elcct on Jul 19, 2019 3:38:13 GMT -6
Has anyone tried to compare it to diy racked dr-1602?
I see that dr-1602 has 2520 op amp on every channel and then that goes to ACA summing amp.
SumBus on the other hand has an input transformer and CAPI custom DTO5 op amp on every channel and that also goes to the ACA summing amp.
The dr-1602 appears to be less expensive.
How do you think they would compare in terms of the sound?
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Post by lando on Jul 19, 2019 5:10:45 GMT -6
Just so the info is out there, mine was built by Billy Pratt at Audibility Recording. Billy is really great to work with and does a fantastic job. Easy to find him on Reverb. Cool! How much did that cost in total? |
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