|
Post by Johnkenn on Feb 11, 2018 13:57:21 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by notneeson on Feb 11, 2018 14:10:19 GMT -6
Great opportunity for the owner to get 2 WA76s and $11,250 in the bank. Been digging the Warm on vox this week, after a Sta Level. I’m new to the WA but have lots of time on real black and Silverface 1176s.
|
|
|
Post by Bender on Feb 11, 2018 14:28:15 GMT -6
Hehe
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 15,014
|
Post by ericn on Feb 12, 2018 8:25:15 GMT -6
Barnum and Bailey maybe no more but PT’s words will live forever and this is a perfect example “there’s a sucker born every minute “! Of course ithe price asked means nothing it’s the price paid that matters!
Anybody else cynical enough to hope this is just a really good DIY clone😎
|
|
|
Post by EmRR on Feb 12, 2018 8:46:25 GMT -6
Barnum and Bailey maybe no more but PT’s words will live forever and this is a perfect example “there’s a sucker born every minute “! Of course ithe price asked means nothing it’s the price paid that matters! Anybody else cynical enough to hope this is just a really good DIY clone😎 They both look right to me, in terms of parts, wiring method, etc. The LA-2 looks unusually clean on the face. But.....man have I seen some incredible Les Paul and Western Electric amplifier fakes, you'd have to be a super expert to spot them, casual enthusiast wouldn't know.
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 15,014
|
Post by ericn on Feb 12, 2018 11:04:43 GMT -6
Barnum and Bailey maybe no more but PT’s words will live forever and this is a perfect example “there’s a sucker born every minute “! Of course ithe price asked means nothing it’s the price paid that matters! Anybody else cynical enough to hope this is just a really good DIY clone😎 They both look right to me, in terms of parts, wiring method, etc. The LA-2 looks unusually clean on the face. But.....man have I seen some incredible Les Paul and Western Electric amplifier fakes, you'd have to be a super expert to spot them, casual enthusiast wouldn't know. Yeah it’s just that it would be fun to see somebody with balls enough to ask these prices find out out he’s screwed!
|
|
|
Post by guitfiddler on Feb 12, 2018 14:15:14 GMT -6
An overpriced boat anchor! LOL
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 15,014
|
Post by ericn on Feb 12, 2018 15:16:11 GMT -6
An overpriced boat anchor! LOL Financially they call that a boat!
|
|
|
Post by jeromemason on Feb 12, 2018 15:29:35 GMT -6
The only thing I can even begin to think of that would warrant a blue stripe original costing that kind of money would be the fact it has the old original transformer....... I mean everything else is out there to rebuild these, and even specs out much better.
The Don Classics 500 version was so close to how an original blue stripe sounds it was almost scary. Design around modern components proves you don't need to spend $12k on something because it's in CLA's rack. If I remember correctly it was really him that caused the price on these to skyrocket and the one he raved about was F$*#ed up.
Let em spend that money if they want, the guys using Capi's Xformer version are just sitting back laughing.
|
|
|
Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 13, 2018 8:52:09 GMT -6
The only thing I can even begin to think of that would warrant a blue stripe original costing that kind of money would be the fact it has the old original transformer....... I mean everything else is out there to rebuild these, and even specs out much better. The Don Classics 500 version was so close to how an original blue stripe sounds it was almost scary. Design around modern components proves you don't need to spend $12k on something because it's in CLA's rack. If I remember correctly it was really him that caused the price on these to skyrocket and the one he raved about was F$*#ed up. Let em spend that money if they want, the guys using Capi's Xformer version are just sitting back laughing. I'm jealous that you've used a Blue Stripe. I've only used the black face (years ago) and never got to compare a real one to my Warm or KT.
|
|
|
Post by jeromemason on Feb 13, 2018 13:30:49 GMT -6
The only thing I can even begin to think of that would warrant a blue stripe original costing that kind of money would be the fact it has the old original transformer....... I mean everything else is out there to rebuild these, and even specs out much better. The Don Classics 500 version was so close to how an original blue stripe sounds it was almost scary. Design around modern components proves you don't need to spend $12k on something because it's in CLA's rack. If I remember correctly it was really him that caused the price on these to skyrocket and the one he raved about was F$*#ed up. Let em spend that money if they want, the guys using Capi's Xformer version are just sitting back laughing. I'm jealous that you've used a Blue Stripe. I've only used the black face (years ago) and never got to compare a real one to my Warm or KT. Well, honestly if I were buying an old one, that's the one I'd buy. It's my favorite in all of them, it's probably the most versatile of them all. And really man, when you hear an original one it's not like the curtains to heaven part and angels start singing..... If you've heard the remakes like the hairball and even listening to UAD stuff, you know what a Rev A 1176 sounds like. I mean it's special knowing I've seen and used the real deal, but I'd never on earth buy one for more than $3k or whatever they would cost today, the Don Classic's one I'm telling you is scary close to the sound of an old Rev A.
|
|
|
Post by guitfiddler on Feb 13, 2018 14:00:52 GMT -6
The only thing I can even begin to think of that would warrant a blue stripe original costing that kind of money would be the fact it has the old original transformer....... I mean everything else is out there to rebuild these, and even specs out much better. The Don Classics 500 version was so close to how an original blue stripe sounds it was almost scary. Design around modern components proves you don't need to spend $12k on something because it's in CLA's rack. If I remember correctly it was really him that caused the price on these to skyrocket and the one he raved about was F$*#ed up. Let em spend that money if they want, the guys using Capi's Xformer version are just sitting back laughing. . Capi’s transformers version? Just curious what you mean here? Does Jeff make an 1176 version with his transformer?
|
|
|
Post by jeromemason on Feb 13, 2018 15:04:32 GMT -6
Well actually back then it was all done with DOA's, now that he's put the transformer in there I've heard it's even better.
Jeff's compressor is a FET compressor, most FET compressors are going to do the same thing or something very similar to an 1176. The compression is very similar, but what I would add about Jeff's is that his doesn't suffer from the severe pinching a lot of 1176/FET compressors suffer from. That is one way to separate good 1176 emu's from bad ones IME. Jeff's FET comp is probably the best out there.
|
|
|
Post by EmRR on Feb 13, 2018 15:29:00 GMT -6
Jeff's FET comp is probably the best out there. It's damn good. I think I like it more than any 1176 or 1178 I've ever driven, original or clone. I remember way back when auditioning some comps for bus use, and an 1178 just sounded broken, it was so distorted on program material. Jeff's don't go there at all, you could use them on a program bus.
|
|
|
Post by EmRR on Feb 13, 2018 15:59:20 GMT -6
Original 1176's costing money like this is the territory of early Star Wars toys costing a fortune; it's not that they are rare, it's that they are well known and popular. You can go buy one any day of the week, and there's a lot of other people doing the same.
|
|
|
Post by c0rtland on Feb 13, 2018 16:03:48 GMT -6
Well actually back then it was all done with DOA's, now that he's put the transformer in there I've heard it's even better. Jeff's compressor is a FET compressor, most FET compressors are going to do the same thing or something very similar to an 1176. The compression is very similar, but what I would add about Jeff's is that his doesn't suffer from the severe pinching a lot of 1176/FET compressors suffer from. That is one way to separate good 1176 emu's from bad ones IME. Jeff's FET comp is probably the best out there. the 526?
|
|
|
Post by jeromemason on Feb 13, 2018 16:10:12 GMT -6
Well actually back then it was all done with DOA's, now that he's put the transformer in there I've heard it's even better. Jeff's compressor is a FET compressor, most FET compressors are going to do the same thing or something very similar to an 1176. The compression is very similar, but what I would add about Jeff's is that his doesn't suffer from the severe pinching a lot of 1176/FET compressors suffer from. That is one way to separate good 1176 emu's from bad ones IME. Jeff's FET comp is probably the best out there. the 526? Yes. It's done with an input transformer now, that's more to the 1176 input.
|
|
|
Post by EmRR on Feb 13, 2018 16:34:16 GMT -6
Yes. It's done with an input transformer now, that's more to the 1176 input. Eh, I'd have to hear it to know, but on paper they are pretty different. No real gain in the 1176 input transformer, lots in the new 526 input transformer.
|
|
|
Post by BenjaminAshlin on Feb 13, 2018 16:37:39 GMT -6
Damn I wanted a matched pair of those.
|
|
|
Post by jeromemason on Feb 13, 2018 16:47:30 GMT -6
Yes. It's done with an input transformer now, that's more to the 1176 input. Eh, I'd have to hear it to know, but on paper they are pretty different. No real gain in the 1176 input transformer, lots in the new 526 input transformer. Not sure if you misunderstood me? I didn't mean gain, but that the input of the 526xformer is more in line with how the input of an 1176 is setup. It used to be electronically done with a DOA in the original 526's.
|
|
|
Post by EmRR on Feb 13, 2018 17:26:19 GMT -6
Eh, I'd have to hear it to know, but on paper they are pretty different. No real gain in the 1176 input transformer, lots in the new 526 input transformer. Not sure if you misunderstood me? I didn't mean gain, but that the input of the 526xformer is more in line with how the input of an 1176 is setup. It used to be electronically done with a DOA in the original 526's. I did mean gain...12dB of transformer gain change in the 526-XFMR and 4dB in any 1176. Lots more 'sound' from the transformer with more gain change. 526-XFMR is easily the furthest away on a chart of the three 'types' 1176ABCD, 1176GHK/1178/FC526, FC526-XFMR, at least as far as the front end contribution goes. As far as input mechanism sonic impact, 1176D and FC526 are easily closer together. Then you go down the rabbit hole of the rest of the circuit, how does it compare sonically.....that front end veers one way in the comparison, everything else veers another.
|
|
|
Post by guitfiddler on Feb 13, 2018 18:04:43 GMT -6
Interesting...
|
|
|
Post by jeromemason on Feb 13, 2018 18:33:27 GMT -6
Not sure if you misunderstood me? I didn't mean gain, but that the input of the 526xformer is more in line with how the input of an 1176 is setup. It used to be electronically done with a DOA in the original 526's. I did mean gain...12dB of transformer gain change in the 526-XFMR and 4dB in any 1176. Lots more 'sound' from the transformer with more gain change. 526-XFMR is easily the furthest away on a chart of the three 'types' 1176ABCD, 1176GHK/1178/FC526, FC526-XFMR, at least as far as the front end contribution goes. As far as input mechanism sonic impact, 1176D and FC526 are easily closer together. Then you go down the rabbit hole of the rest of the circuit, how does it compare sonically.....that front end veers one way in the comparison, everything else veers another. I haven't looked to see yet, but I know the DOA version could take something like +29db before it clipped, some crazy freaking number. I wonder if the Xformer version does the same? I know it was impressive as hell when I had mine. I could blast a tube pre into that sucker and it'd take it like nothing at all.
|
|
|
Post by winetree on Feb 13, 2018 19:27:32 GMT -6
Gee, I bought my Blue Stripe 1176 for $250.00. Bought 4 - 1176 D versions for $ 150.00 each Glad I never sell anything. I built and have 4 of the CAPI 526 Comps with the input D.O.A.s. Sound wise, has anybody compare the 526 D.O.A. version to the input transformer version?
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Feb 13, 2018 20:27:04 GMT -6
Gee, I bought my Blue Stripe 1176 for $250.00. Bought 4 - 1176 D versions for $ 150.00 each Sounds about right....
|
|