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Post by drbill on Feb 12, 2018 17:21:39 GMT -6
Well, I really can't get into specifics on the design, it's not like I wouldn't love to broadcast this out, but honestly I can't get into specifics. What I can say is that the GSSL is just a platform, almost like if you were to get one of those prototyping boards from Texas Instruments to build like a converter using their chips or something. My compressor just uses the design or more like the point to point of the circuit board that allowed me to customize the circuit. Again, it's really a hybrid approach to the SSL, and it's taking new technology and exploiting it's advancements to make the circuit infinitely better. Things like the opamps I mean in that regard. The addition of the transformers allows you to eq into the compressor with more aggression and it only sound more amazing the more you eq into it. The little techniques I used to mod the circuit because of the new technology in the opamps dramatically increases integrity of the low-end as well. And again, BradM and dandeurloo were instrumental in pointing things out in that regard, I had ideas and both those guys gave me some amazing pointers and the whole 3 heads are better than one really proved true in this compressor. The Air Band thing was something BradM threw out, I didn't even think about doing that with the mix knob, but again, you get guys brainstorming and wanting to push the limits with no rules and some really amazing things can be created. Now, even though those ideas were pointed out and all that brainstorming came up with this, it took a lot of trial and error to find ways to implement it and make it work. Just the transformers, it took a while to figure out how to implement those and the best way to go about doing it. Then finding the gain make up after them and the way to do that, it took a lot of effort to get that nailed down. But, the fruit of all that labor produced a really amazing buss comp that I believe really addresses the need for guys like me doing a hybrid of ITB/OTB mixing setup. Everything is sort of there in that one compressor to really give a nice sound, and it cuts out the need for multiple pieces of gear chained in serial together to achieve what just one box will do. Again, I can't stress enough how awesome BradM and dandeurloo were in keeping me steered in the right direction and coming up with ideas to help me achieve my ultimate goal. Anyways, that's about as far into as I can get, but I think it'd be easier to just create a new circuit with all the mods and not confuse my buss comp with the recreations of the SSL 4K buss comp. I don't want to take anything away from Stam or AudioScapes because I think both companies are doing a great job in recreating the SSL 4K buss comp, my comp is just a derivative that uses it as a platform. Gotcha can you at least go into what the transformers bring to the table in terms of Sonics? Let's get a pair of Chroma's out front of your GSSL Eric! That will give you some serious, serious options.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 12, 2018 17:35:04 GMT -6
Sorry, I have no ua stuff anymore and never bought the ua ssl anyway
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Post by ericn on Feb 12, 2018 19:02:15 GMT -6
Gotcha can you at least go into what the transformers bring to the table in terms of Sonics? Let's get a pair of Chroma's out front of your GSSL Eric! That will give you some serious, serious options. Don’t have a SSL inspired buss comp at the moment that’s part of what has me lusting after Jerome’s!
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Post by drbill on Feb 13, 2018 9:56:42 GMT -6
Let's get a pair of Chroma's out front of your GSSL Eric! That will give you some serious, serious options. Don’t have a SSL inspired buss comp at the moment that’s part of what has me lusting after Jerome’s! Understood. My point was - buy an audio-scapes GSSL, put a couple of Chroma's out in front of it and watch (hear) the world open up..... It's all available NOW with a very reasonable price point.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 13, 2018 13:53:22 GMT -6
Don’t have a SSL inspired buss comp at the moment that’s part of what has me lusting after Jerome’s! Understood. My point was - buy an audio-scapes GSSL, put a couple of Chroma's out in front of it and watch (hear) the world open up..... It's all available NOW with a very reasonable price point. Thanks Bill, that was the plan, but to also throw in my secret recipe of sorts! Two Chroma(Creama-lol)with hardware plug of choice or a silver bullet? It would be sweet to have plugs option for the silverbullet! I’m sure that has been discussed... Hmmm
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Post by mikec on Feb 13, 2018 14:17:27 GMT -6
Don't want to sound like a broken record, but I am really liking he audioscape in the insert of the silver bullet.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 13, 2018 15:24:12 GMT -6
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 13, 2018 17:30:26 GMT -6
The more I use this comp the more I like it. First impressions usually wear thin for me. Not in this case. Can't imagine doing any better for the money, period. Wonderful piece of kit.
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Post by mak72 on Jun 27, 2018 17:50:31 GMT -6
I know this is an old thread but was curious to get your opinion on whether you would choose the serpent 4001sb or the audio-scape ssl if you only could have one for the mix buss?
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Post by notneeson on Jun 27, 2018 18:14:41 GMT -6
I know this is an old thread but was curious to get your opinion on whether you would choose the serpent 4001sb or the audio-scape ssl if you only could have one for the mix buss? I don't have a ton of time on it, but I find the Serpent more transparent than both my Stam and the SSL I have lots of time on. Have not tried the Audioscape. For what it's worth, I really like my Stam and the SSL, they seem pretty interchangeable. Serpent is just different.
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Post by mak72 on Jun 27, 2018 18:27:05 GMT -6
Transparent being more desireable or you would rather have the color of the stam? Is the Stam as clear as the ssl?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 27, 2018 19:03:53 GMT -6
I have stam and audioscape if you want to send a wav file, let me know ?
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Post by mak72 on Jun 27, 2018 19:08:59 GMT -6
I have stam and audioscape if you want to send a wav file, let me know ? Thanks I appreciate the offer, but more interested in your personal preference for the two or serpent.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 27, 2018 19:58:39 GMT -6
Don’t have the serpent and haven’t used one. I think it has more features but is more expensive.
Next question, do you care about us supplier or not ?
I like them both and use them both. I feel like the Audioscape has a little body or tone?
I tend to use stam on my drum buss and the audioscaoe on my 2 buss.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 27, 2018 20:00:42 GMT -6
Transparent being more desireable or you would rather have the color of the stam? Is the Stam as clear as the ssl? My gut is that the SSL and the Stam sound close to the same, but I have never done any shoot outs. I think the transparency of the Serpent is cool, but I also really like the VCA "snap" that the Stam and SSL seem to have more of. Maybe it's just a matter of settings? On the master insert I tend to run quickest release, slowest attack, 4:1. Sometimes attack and release one click in from there, but not usually. The Serpent is the most different sounding at that setting, but not in a bad way. My clients are all on a tight budget, so I am too. That means using the big room less and figuring out which tools, at minimum, I really need to deliver the level of work I know I'm capable of. (And kicking my own ass when I miss the mark).
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 27, 2018 22:15:48 GMT -6
I’ve had all three. Serpent being the most refined and versatile, Stambeung the misty gritty, the Audio-Scape somewhere in between. I loved them all. All very good choices.
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Post by mak72 on Jun 27, 2018 22:23:30 GMT -6
Thinking of going with the wesdione now
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Post by mak72 on Jun 28, 2018 15:37:11 GMT -6
I’ve had all three. Serpent being the most refined and versatile, Stambeung the misty gritty, the Audio-Scape somewhere in between. I loved them all. All very good choices. Do you still have/use any of them?
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 28, 2018 17:24:38 GMT -6
I’ve had all three. Serpent being the most refined and versatile, Stambeung the misty gritty, the Audio-Scape somewhere in between. I loved them all. All very good choices. Do you still have/use any of them? I kept the Audioscape. I picked it up second hand for a killer deal. Sold the Stam and made a few bucks. Sold the Serpent and broke even. It was more of a financial decision because they all sound great. I liked the sweet spot of the Audioscape sitting sonically between the Serpent and the Stam. I didn’t use the versatility of the Serpents options to warrant keeping it. The Stam is a bit more gritty and the Audioscape has a handy sidechain built in.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 28, 2018 18:57:34 GMT -6
AudioScape has its new website up !
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Post by ericn on Jun 29, 2018 7:33:57 GMT -6
I still want to spend time with our own Jerome Mason’s modded SSL circuit! Everything he’s put out with that thing sounds like butter, as my chlosesterol proves nothing like butter.
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Post by seawell on Jun 29, 2018 9:59:00 GMT -6
AudioScape has its new website up ! The new site looks great. I didn't know about the Remi
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Post by mike on Jul 24, 2018 7:50:47 GMT -6
I was leaning on getting a AudioScape SSL since I like my AS opto very much, but I'm tempted by the upgrades Stam is offering on his new MK2 SSL Comp that includes a Neve or API mod choice at > link Aside from the often delayed shipping dates that is a non starter for some,.. what do you folks with more experience than I think of the potential of this box vs the Audio-scape ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 24, 2018 8:12:46 GMT -6
I have both a stock stam 4k and the AS SSL. I'd suggest that rather than the mod ?
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Post by ericn on Jul 24, 2018 8:31:26 GMT -6
I was leaning on getting a AudioScape SSL since I like my AS opto very much, but I'm tempted by the upgrades Stam is offering on his new MK2 SSL Comp that includes a Neve or API mod choice at > link Aside from the often delayed shipping dates that is a non starter for some,.. what do you folks with more experience than I think of the potential of this box vs the Audio-scape ? Mike Before buying any SSL clone I would have a talk with our own Jerome Mason about building a copy of his Frankenstein SSL bus comp! I don’t know what he would want for one but it’s what I would want.
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