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Post by drbill on Dec 21, 2017 12:36:59 GMT -6
They invented the LA2A, LA3A, 176, 1176, EMT-140, and some great preamps. They need to get back into some serious hardware again. Why? They are making exponentially more off their plugins. No need for hardware at that point. Of course, speaking from a strictly business bottom-line point of view.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 21, 2017 12:39:58 GMT -6
I guess so John, but that's a shame. With their name and reputation, people would sit up and look really closely if they made a new line of affordable compressors and converters, as well as new high end versions too. Why they'd leave it to Dangerous Music or Burl or clone companies, I can't guess, other than software's easier, but that's a dead end eventually, or certainly a diminishing returns thing sooner or later.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2017 12:49:14 GMT -6
I really don't know why I'm going to take up for UA here...they've blown me off for advertising since inception, (I'm the price of one of their plugs) and they basically told me I'm a criminal on the phone the other day... but their new plugs are pretty damn amazing. Like I-really-question-why-I'm-patching-to-this-hardware good.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 21, 2017 13:43:39 GMT -6
I'll keep not buying their plugins for you.
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Post by keymod on Dec 21, 2017 14:18:49 GMT -6
I could easily wean myself of of UAD's plug-ins if I had to. I haven't used the Ocean Way since I got the Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven. I still use the ATR-140 on every mix, but every other plug of theirs, I use only occasionally. The Apollo's been an incredibly solid system, and it delivered the promise of good quality sound from one box. Today though, I'd buy a Symphony, sell the Apollo 8, and keep my Quad satellite if I could afford it, especially since I don't print with UAD plugs anymore. With the $60 Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven, the free Soundtoys Little Plate and the Relab XL-480, I don't need a $249 Lexicon 224 or EMT-140. The UAD thing of emulating classic gear must be reaching the end of its run. They've modeled most of what people are interested in by now I think. They need to innovate or they may wither away. They invented the LA2A, LA3A, 176, 1176, EMT-140, and some great preamps. They need to get back into some serious hardware again. Why not make a new A/D - D/A converter that betters a Burl or Dangerous Music?Why not a new preamp, and maybe make a hardware compressor that's under $1,000. UA made an incredible 8 channel variable preamp, along with a 4 channel version, for a couple of years. Their 2192 is still a great converter. I always wondered why they didn't make an 8 and 4 channel 2192 to go along with those preamps.
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Post by djzaga1 on Jun 13, 2022 16:39:23 GMT -6
what a dumb hassle Im super glad I dislike using UAD plug ins. I think they sound "odd"...synthetic. No gear is worth suffering a bad experience like this. There are so many awesome companies making great software. My computer can run 2000 plugs, so I see no reason to add this companies "acceleration" to my life.
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Post by djzaga1 on Jun 13, 2022 16:39:37 GMT -6
Well...I guess I won’t be buying any more UA products. I have been a UA customer for over a decade. From the UAD-1 on. I’ve bought cards, changed systems, sold them, bought Apollos, sold them, bought them back. Bought Satellites, sold them...bought more than I needed and decided to sell some, etc. As you guys know, I recently sold an Apollo 8. The guy is in Central America and wasn’t getting it for a month, but I assured him there would be no problem with the transfer. After all - I’ve done it before, right. I get an email today saying that the transfer I submitted in November hadn’t gone through. So I called UA and they tell me I have passed the limit for their “transfer policy.” They limit doing license transfers to 5 times (though mine had been over five - i guess i should be sending them a Christmas gift for buying dozens of their products) He told me since I wasn’t transferring any plugs, he’d “allow” this transfer to go through if the other party called in and they’d do it manually. So, I guess this means I should never buy another UA product since I’ll never be able to transfer ownership again. So, keep that in mind as you buy UA from now on. I guess I’m stuck with my plugs and satellite forever now. Total bullshit.
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Post by djzaga1 on Jun 13, 2022 16:46:24 GMT -6
UA in its own way is very anal, controlling, self centred and not client focussed. Its approach to serving long term heavily invested clients needs a complete rethink. Nobody needs to constantly buy new plug ins: what for ? It has been steadily dropping prices and its recent sale was unprecedented in value but see above. This policy means after you sell a few pie3ces of gear anything else will be bricked and never updatable. This can only be because UA is upset about people selling their accounts but they only reason people do that is because UA doesn't let you sell your plug ins individually so what are people going to do, literally let an investment worth $1,000's languish or get lowballed by the market when you try to sell. UA created this whole system and it needs to re-think it. I personally was very worried about the subscription plan as that would have completely undermined the used market which is already devalued due to UA's sale policies. I too am happily out of UA land but do miss a few of the plugs ins. That was plan b to wait and see what they release soon, dual core dsp and then wait for a sale and buy back only the plugs I know I will use or maybe not. Well I read the whole thread and I can tell you I have had an NFR and even to get that is a pain in the but, I can tell you that no-one can be doing anything with an NFR acc as in order to NFR to activate anent needs to be in the account holder name previously to be able to get NFR running, I was on NFR and I stop working on the company from which I got it granted and then they disabled it, my studio partner still was working on it and then we requested the NFR for a new Apollo and later I transferred my onto PCIE and a satellite, they got activated but when I did the next update the October got again the 365 days and the satellite not and the people from universal gave me all that bullshit so the satellite never got updated again, when someone has NFR every-time they make a new plugging or updated and you run it in the computer starts the NFR again for 365 days so is most likely you will always have NFR until they disconnect you from UA, so unless you can't update the machine like in the case of an old cheese grater when cant go to Mojave and the NFR time run out you have to go to square one again with them.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 13, 2022 17:55:45 GMT -6
Bro it’s a five year old thread…
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 13, 2022 17:57:41 GMT -6
I obviously ate my hat
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