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Post by mrholmes on Dec 20, 2017 1:12:55 GMT -6
I know people are still making good music, and I'm sure there are some good recordings being made, I just don't hear them. What little time I have to listen to recorded music is an MP3 or some other digital file off my computer in the midst of a busy day. I think I hear more live music today than recorded. But nonetheless I just can't understand the appeal of UAD. If I had an artist worth recording there a several studios in my town with lovely outboard and the engineers who know how to use them properly. Seems like UAD is for "overkill demos" and self recorded artists. I suspect the manufacturers all know this too, based upon the way they have ravaged these semi-pro chat boards and paid accomplished engineers to push plug-ins like opiates. I take some offense to your post...Vance Powell, Dave Cobb, Michael Brauer, Jacquire King...and pretty much every professional I know would beg to differ. I would venture to say that 80% of what is out there has UAD on it. Buzzer. Did you ever signed an endorsement paperwork. I did and without it it never came to my mind to say something positive about this guitar brand. If the big guys don't get a full loaded unit for free... call me Judy.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2017 3:15:44 GMT -6
UA ‘s policy on not allowing individual sale of plug ins caused me to stop buying plugs caused me to stop buying plugs and one thing led to another and I sold everything. Like Ragan said I miss a few plugs and there are things about console that I prefer to apogee control but that it.
The example above of big names gave me pause does anybody believe for a moment that this transfer policy isn’t two tiered, something tells me there is no problem transferring big name assets every time ?
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Post by ericn on Dec 20, 2017 7:54:48 GMT -6
UA ‘s policy on not allowing individual sale of plug ins caused me to stop buying plugs caused me to stop buying plugs and one thing led to another and I sold everything. Like Ragan said I miss a few plugs and there are things about console that I prefer to apogee control but that it. The example above of big names gave me pause does anybody believe for a moment that this transfer policy isn’t two tiered, something tells me there is no problem transferring big name assets every time ? My hunch is calling UAD will get you an exemption from this policy 9 times out of 10 and it really sucks to be the 10th guy! Often a Buisness will adopt a pretty tough policy simply to let them say no when they feel that someone is pushing to far. 90 % of the pros I know use some UAD products, many have replaced expensive hardware with UAD!
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Post by drbill on Dec 20, 2017 11:00:23 GMT -6
I guess I'm the 1 out of 10 Eric?
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Post by ericn on Dec 20, 2017 11:52:50 GMT -6
I guess I'm the 1 out of 10 Eric? Probably Bill, and it's what sucks about these arbitrary policies! The part that truly sucks is it's not like you can go to a dealer and have him help or reauthorize because the dealer has nothing to do with the plugins!
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Post by drbill on Dec 20, 2017 12:22:34 GMT -6
I dunno....the whole hardware running software thing always struck me as backwards thinking in a time where computers are moving forward at breakneck speed. Like a REALLY expensive iLok.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2017 12:26:09 GMT -6
Well UA has never been hacked and the sharc system works essentially flawlessly and augments your computer's cpu ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 20, 2017 14:05:27 GMT -6
I take some offense to your post...Vance Powell, Dave Cobb, Michael Brauer, Jacquire King...and pretty much every professional I know would beg to differ. I would venture to say that 80% of what is out there has UAD on it. Buzzer. Did you ever signed an endorsement paperwork. I did and without it it never came to my mind to say something positive about this guitar brand. If the big guys don't get a full loaded unit for free... call me Judy. Do you know Vance and Dave? I do. It gets used by more professional than I can count.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 20, 2017 14:47:05 GMT -6
If the policy is intended to stop people from transferring their interface/plugins to someone then having that person transfer it back so both parties end up with plugins, it would make sense for UA to just not allow transfer backs. So unless authorized on a case-by-case basis (for fraud or whatever) transfers only go in one direction. I can buy yours, he can buy mine, etc. but I can't sell mine to you then you sell the same serial number back to me? Like kcatthedog, I too got frustrated with the individual plugin policy and eventually sold my OCTO and plugs. There you go. Problem solved
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Post by yotonic on Dec 20, 2017 14:48:15 GMT -6
I know people are still making good music, and I'm sure there are some good recordings being made, I just don't hear them. What little time I have to listen to recorded music is an MP3 or some other digital file off my computer in the midst of a busy day. I think I hear more live music today than recorded. But nonetheless I just can't understand the appeal of UAD. If I had an artist worth recording there a several studios in my town with lovely outboard and the engineers who know how to use them properly. Seems like UAD is for "overkill demos" and self recorded artists. I suspect the manufacturers all know this too, based upon the way they have ravaged these semi-pro chat boards and paid accomplished engineers to push plug-ins like opiates. I take some offense to your post...Vance Powell, Dave Cobb, Michael Brauer, Jacquire King...and pretty much every professional I know would beg to differ. I would venture to say that 80% of what is out there has UAD on it. It's just my impression. I'm sure those guys are using plugs. I know a lot of mixers who do. It just seems like UAD is always trying to hustle people. At what point does a project studio become overkill? The industry will sell guys more shit than they will ever need in a lifetime and unless you are Dave Cobb all those plugs aren't going to get you to the point of releasing a label quality project. No offense intended, I just don't see a lot of records on Mediabase that were made in songwriter's home project studios. The very policy itself proves they are targeting semi-pro home users and project studios as a revenue base. There's no way they are telling Dave Cobb or Michael Brauer they can't transfer something.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2017 15:50:55 GMT -6
I know that Gannon the unofficial UA rep on UA forum is on holidays so I reached out to UA CS to say they needs some comms on this. They got back to me and said they are working on it.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 20, 2017 16:43:56 GMT -6
Buzzer. Did you ever signed an endorsement paperwork. I did and without it it never came to my mind to say something positive about this guitar brand. If the big guys don't get a full loaded unit for free... call me Judy. Do you know Vance and Dave? I do. It gets used by more professional than I can count. That was not my question the question was if they had to pay for it. And please tell me why are the big guys on the UAD website are all photographed in front of racks filled with hardware?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 20, 2017 16:55:33 GMT -6
if you don't even use UAD, why do you care?
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Post by ericn on Dec 20, 2017 17:30:27 GMT -6
Do you know Vance and Dave? I do. It gets used by more professional than I can count. That was not my question the question was if they had to pay for it. And please tell me why are the big guys on the UAD website are all photographed in front of racks filled with hardware? Many times the famous user has bought the product, then received some free software in exchange for endorsement, example in the height of the Mackie 8 bus many bought the console, Mackie heard they were on board and promised Meter bridges and automation in exchange for blurbs. Of course I know a few who are still waiting! Even when artists are given free gear it's not that big of deal & most will use it, it's not like UAD is writing huge checks.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 20, 2017 17:34:32 GMT -6
if you don't even use UAD, why do you care? Is this GearSlutz ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 20, 2017 17:38:45 GMT -6
Do you know Vance and Dave? I do. It gets used by more professional than I can count. That was not my question the question was if they had to pay for it. And please tell me why are the big guys on the UAD website are all photographed in front of racks filled with hardware? So you can’t use hardware and software too?
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Post by ericn on Dec 20, 2017 18:50:50 GMT -6
The ability to have instant recall has made software a big part of most pro's arsenals. Add in repeatable settings and less need service and it's a wonder anybody who's mortgage is paid by working in audio still uses hardware!
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Post by drbill on Dec 20, 2017 19:11:05 GMT -6
it's a wonder anybody who's mortgage is paid by working in audio still uses hardware! Easy fella......... Some of us have mortgages AND stacks of gear - and the hardware ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Post by ericn on Dec 20, 2017 19:12:21 GMT -6
it's a wonder anybody who's mortgage is paid by working in audio still uses hardware! Easy fella......... Some of us have mortgages AND stacks of gear - and the hardware ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Hey what's a little sarcasm amongst friends!
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 20, 2017 20:05:21 GMT -6
it's a wonder anybody who's mortgage is paid by working in audio still uses hardware! Easy fella......... Some of us have mortgages AND stacks of gear - and the hardware ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Get rid of one and you might get rid of the other.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2017 21:00:41 GMT -6
Got the popcorn on: this is getting interesting !!
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Post by drbill on Dec 20, 2017 22:28:03 GMT -6
Easy fella......... Some of us have mortgages AND stacks of gear - and the hardware ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Hey what's a little sarcasm amongst friends! Ha!! Sarcasm is good !!!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 20, 2017 22:51:00 GMT -6
I could easily wean myself of of UAD's plug-ins if I had to. I haven't used the Ocean Way since I got the Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven. I still use the ATR-140 on every mix, but every other plug of theirs, I use only occasionally. The Apollo's been an incredibly solid system, and it delivered the promise of good quality sound from one box. Today though, I'd buy a Symphony, sell the Apollo 8, and keep my Quad satellite if I could afford it, especially since I don't print with UAD plugs anymore.
With the $60 Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven, the free Soundtoys Little Plate and the Relab XL-480, I don't need a $249 Lexicon 224 or EMT-140. The UAD thing of emulating classic gear must be reaching the end of its run. They've modeled most of what people are interested in by now I think. They need to innovate or they may wither away.
They invented the LA2A, LA3A, 176, 1176, EMT-140, and some great preamps. They need to get back into some serious hardware again. Why not make a new A/D - D/A converter that betters a Burl or Dangerous Music?Why not a new preamp, and maybe make a hardware compressor that's under $1,000.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2017 11:57:31 GMT -6
I could easily wean myself of of UAD's plug-ins if I had to. I haven't used the Ocean Way since I got the Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven. I still use the ATR-140 on every mix, but every other plug of theirs, I use only occasionally. The Apollo's been an incredibly solid system, and it delivered the promise of good quality sound from one box. Today though, I'd buy a Symphony, sell the Apollo 8, and keep my Quad satellite if I could afford it, especially since I don't print with UAD plugs anymore. With the $60 Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven, the free Soundtoys Little Plate and the Relab XL-480, I don't need a $249 Lexicon 224 or EMT-140. The UAD thing of emulating classic gear must be reaching the end of its run. They've modeled most of what people are interested in by now I think. They need to innovate or they may wither away. They invented the LA2A, LA3A, 176, 1176, EMT-140, and some great preamps. They need to get back into some serious hardware again. Why not make a new A/D - D/A converter that betters a Burl or Dangerous Music?Why not a new preamp, and maybe make a hardware compressor that's under $1,000. My guess is that the real money is in the software. And they have the world's greatest dongle...
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2017 12:32:04 GMT -6
I could easily wean myself of of UAD's plug-ins if I had to. I haven't used the Ocean Way since I got the Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven. I still use the ATR-140 on every mix, but every other plug of theirs, I use only occasionally. The Apollo's been an incredibly solid system, and it delivered the promise of good quality sound from one box. Today though, I'd buy a Symphony, sell the Apollo 8, and keep my Quad satellite if I could afford it, especially since I don't print with UAD plugs anymore. With the $60 Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven, the free Soundtoys Little Plate and the Relab XL-480, I don't need a $249 Lexicon 224 or EMT-140. The UAD thing of emulating classic gear must be reaching the end of its run. They've modeled most of what people are interested in by now I think. They need to innovate or they may wither away. They invented the LA2A, LA3A, 176, 1176, EMT-140, and some great preamps. They need to get back into some serious hardware again. Why not make a new A/D - D/A converter that betters a Burl or Dangerous Music?Why not a new preamp, and maybe make a hardware compressor that's under $1,000. My guess is that the real money is in the software. And they have the world's greatest dongle... Of course that's where all the money is ! It's the audio equivalent to crack!
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