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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 13, 2017 22:28:14 GMT -6
Go look at Cody's Lab. His stuff looks terrible, but he still has over a million subscribers. Another example is Esperanza Spalding and her upcoming album. She streamed the entire 72hr session live for everyone to watch the recording sessions as promotion.
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Post by donr on Dec 13, 2017 23:01:19 GMT -6
Don't make me laugh. When I put out my last album and approached a a really old friend who runs the East Bay Bay Media collective (a community non-profit) about shooting a video he quote me a "buddy deal" of a minimum of $1000 just to do the the shoot, plus editing costs estimated at another grand or more, Sure, you can put out a crappy looking and sounding phone cam video, but that's not going to do you any good. Maybe that'll pass on facebook, but it's not going get any serious response on YT. John, you wouldn't believe how low-fi and straight up crappy some of those million view videos are. The quality really is not that important. I've looked up a lot of music on youtube that was just a song playing with a static background w/ maybe some text. You can also easily download some stock images, legally and legitimately, from both free and pay sites. Edit together a few animated stock landscapes and boom: pretty lights floating around on a screen while your song plays. Thought I'd take a moment to applaud our member Wiz's youtube videos of his songs. Thoughtful and looks professionally produced. Eye candy for his ear candy. Wiz, where do you get your source images from? Reply in your new LP thread (rather than here!)
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Post by c0rtland on Dec 13, 2017 23:40:23 GMT -6
This thread is a political wildfire.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 13, 2017 23:57:07 GMT -6
This thread is a political wildfire. Fan it! The flames must be fanned!!! *Laughs maniacally*
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Post by donr on Dec 14, 2017 1:28:45 GMT -6
This thread is a political wildfire. Fan it! The flames must be fanned!!! *Laughs maniacally* Ha! I commend RGO'ers for their forbearance in this thread. May be unique in my internet forum experience. Aren't we tired of posters being offended to the point of expulsion in most internet forums? I am. We're here because we dig audio gear and lore. If we discuss issues that are political, ok with me if it's ok with JK, but lets not H8 on each other because of political opinions. I'll listen to everyone who has an opinion, and not get bent if they don't agree with mine. But isn't that basically the same with audio? Who hates a piece of audio gear so much that he(she) gets kicked off a forum? How important is your opinion or dignity on an internet forum? Geez, I don't know. As a geezer in the internet age, I feel it's worthy to promote a restoration of traditional civility in forums. Never mind twitter. I'd have put my foot in my phone a long time ago. I don't tweet. When you publish a communication, go over it before you hit send. I sometimes edit my posts here, 'cause I miss something in the orginal post I need to correct. Don't know if you can ever edit a tweet.
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Post by levon on Dec 14, 2017 1:48:14 GMT -6
Well said, Don Although, I must admit that I can get heated and passionate when it comes to certain topics. My tolerance threshold for assholes is getting pretty low. In those cases, I'd rather just say nothing. Thank God, that does not apply to this place.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 14, 2017 9:49:29 GMT -6
I take your point, Ragan. Can you give examples of where Gov't got it right, and where the market didn't self-correct after an abusive f'up? What I see is, every crisis, real or imagined, is an excuse for gov't to proscribe more of our freedom, the crisis often resulting from previous gov't interventions. I have more faith in the hive-mind of humans and chaos theory to work out problems than I do in Congress and DC bureaucracies, especially those that fall beyond the original intent of the federal government's purpose and power. Which is why I don't support DC making rules about the internet that would, by making any rules, inevitably favor some constituencies and harm others. When the market didn't "self correct" after a monumental screwup? Ever heard of the Great Depression? The only reason this has not reoccured is government regulation. Where government "got it rtight"? How about all the time between Roosevelt and the rise of Reagan who systematically attacked all the checks and balances instituted by government in the wake ofg the of the Great Depression. There have been ZERO good results from Regan's policies, just as a slow doward spiral and and an increaing funning of wealth into the hands of the undeserving filthy rich. Our founding fathers believed in and attempted to set a system of checks and balances. Since then there has been a continupous onslaught by the rich to destory those checks and balances with the intent of feathering their own nests. Sadly the founding fathers were less than clairvoyant and had no way to foresee the the sustained assault on the system they constructed. I have little faith in the the "hive mind" of gullible humans in the fact of professional liars. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. The financial market didn't "self correct" in 2008. Not only did the US Government Treasury purchase troubled assets - mostly worthless bonds loaded with supbprime loans from Wall Street banks that that nobody in the free market would buy, but the US government also took over AIG to pay Wall Street banks what AIG owed them. AIG was bankrupt and couldn't pay Wall Street the Credit Default Swaps they owed them on (i.e insurance on bad bonds) which would have bankrupted the Wall Street banks. The free market didn't self correct, it failed in the financial industry in 2008 and the government bailed it out for the sake of the economy. This is indisputable, but people have the luxury to gloss this over-and attack government all the while- because government worked when it was most needed. Free market people hate government, until they need government to bail them out. Then, after the bailout occurs and government works to stabilize their assets and our entire economy, they go back bashing the government.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 14, 2017 10:25:56 GMT -6
The problem with all that youtube promotion is the additional time required to make it, subtracting from the time previously spent on the core content. The middle man who used to do that stuff is gone. Its very much parallel to the balance of income versus time around questions like "should a pay a house cleaning service, or do it myself?" No musician practices as much if they spend half their time handling deliverables packaging.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 14, 2017 10:30:00 GMT -6
The idea that we have ever had a free market is Wall Street bullsh!t. What we have is a worldwide house of cards that may result in another world war if it fails.
Self-correction in a real free market requires the combination of supply, demand and financial liability. The latter has been replaced by regulation.
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Post by matt on Dec 14, 2017 11:43:55 GMT -6
Fan it! The flames must be fanned!!! *Laughs maniacally* I feel it's worthy to promote a restoration of traditional civility in forums. Indeed. Social discourse in the world today, political and otherwise, is discouraging to the point where I continuously lose/regain faith in the goodness of humanity. It's not about conservative or liberal viewpoints, it's about a general denial of reality and the baseless belief that truth is relative. It is not - truth is truth and stands apart from personal belief - but it is pointless to argue over it because logic and common sense are not honored these days. Facts follow from truth as "something that actually exists; reality; truth". So, there it is. Inarguable. I have never felt negatively about RGO and the people who post here. Thankfully. This place is a refuge from The Madness. I'm not sure about Net Neutrality, but I welcome informed opinions. Based on facts, please. Just the facts . . .
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Post by swurveman on Dec 14, 2017 12:18:22 GMT -6
The idea that we have ever had a free market is Wall Street bullsh!t. What we have is a worldwide house of cards that may result in another world war if it fails. Self-correction in a real free market requires the combination of supply, demand and financial liability. The latter has been replaced by regulation. Just a nit Bob. Financial liability wasn't replaced by regulation in 2008. It was replaced by the US government taking on the liabilities of the banks and AIG and printing a lot of money to make the system more liquid. That was a bailout, not regulation. If there had been regulation, things like Wall Street banks getting AAA ratings for subprime loan filled CDO's would have never happened, let alone allowing a trillion dollar derivatives market that was effectively dark for anybody but Wall Street traders. The average investor had no idea what was going on with AIG and Wall Street in the derivatives market, because nobody in government was regulating that market. Lest anybody think I'm some kind of socialist, here's an archived article from Fortune Magazine written by Bill Gross, manager of PIMCO the largest bond fund in the world about the unregulated shadow derivatives market before the 2008 government bailout..
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Post by 79sg on Dec 14, 2017 12:46:02 GMT -6
The idea that we have ever had a free market is Wall Street bullsh!t. What we have is a worldwide house of cards that may result in another world war if it fails. Self-correction in a real free market requires the combination of supply, demand and financial liability. The latter has been replaced by regulation. Just a nit Bob. Financial liability wasn't replaced by regulation in 2008. It was replaced by the US government taking on the liabilities of the banks and AIG and printing a lot of money to make the system more liquid. That was a bailout, not regulation. If there had been regulation, things like Wall Street banks getting AAA ratings for subprime loan filled CDO's would have never happened, let alone allowing a trillion dollar derivatives market that was effectively dark for anybody but Wall Street traders. The average investor had no idea what was going on with AIG and Wall Street in the derivatives market, because nobody in government was regulating that market. Lest anybody think I'm some kind of socialist, here's an archived article from Fortune Magazine written by Bill Gross, manager of PIMCO the largest bond fund in the world about the unregulated shadow derivatives market before the 2008 government bailout.. I would take this one step further and add that the US Government taking on liabilities is really all of us taking on that liability because we are the ones that pay the bills, they decided to make us backstop the risk taking by banks. Whatever institution was failing at the time should have failed, we would have gone through a nasty depression but structurally that risk is still here and is greater now since the amount of leverage in the system is much higher than it was then. The bottom line is simple in my mind, you cannot print your way to prosperity, EVER. The one thing to remember about Bill Gross (I've read his stuff for the past 25+ years) is that as a fund manager he will always talk his book. They all do. Speaking of derivatives, it is estimated that the total global derivative exposure is approximately $1.4 Quadrillion (1,400,000,000,000,000.00). Deutsche Bank has a $90 trillion dollar derivative book, JP Morgan $73 trillion, Goldman Sachs $43 trillion, etc. That we know of. Derivatives still remain unregulated. Also, CDO's are back. Ratings agencies were proven to be worthless, only the best money can buy. I'm sure there's nothing to be concerned about.
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Post by donr on Dec 14, 2017 12:49:12 GMT -6
FCC just voted to deregulate its 2015 regulatory power over the internet. It's appalling to me how this issue has been misrepresented. Did the 2015 reg fix anything that was broken in 2014? No, nothing was changed. Should Washington want to govern the internet at some point in the future, all it has to do is do it, right? They did it in 2015. They can do it again. But you'd think the sky was falling. Sandra Fluke says this is an attack on freedom itself. twitter.com/SandraFluke
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Post by 79sg on Dec 14, 2017 12:53:26 GMT -6
But why do something right when they aren't held to a high enough standard to insure things are done this way? Why do the right thing when the rules are being tailored to the highest bidder (lobbyists, etc.)? Pete Townsend was spot on "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 14, 2017 12:58:09 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Dec 14, 2017 13:18:46 GMT -6
#depressed #wtf Maybe the courts will stop it.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 14, 2017 13:36:46 GMT -6
#depressed #wtf Maybe the courts will stop it. "They've got the judges in their back pockets." - George Carlin
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Post by ragan on Dec 14, 2017 13:48:09 GMT -6
The idea that we have ever had a free market is Wall Street bullsh!t. What we have is a worldwide house of cards that may result in another world war if it fails. Self-correction in a real free market requires the combination of supply, demand and financial liability. The latter has been replaced by regulation. Just a nit Bob. Financial liability wasn't replaced by regulation in 2008. It was replaced by the US government taking on the liabilities of the banks and AIG and printing a lot of money to make the system more liquid. That was a bailout, not regulation. If there had been regulation, things like Wall Street banks getting AAA ratings for subprime loan filled CDO's would have never happened, let alone allowing a trillion dollar derivatives market that was effectively dark for anybody but Wall Street traders. The average investor had no idea what was going on with AIG and Wall Street in the derivatives market, because nobody in government was regulating that market. Lest anybody think I'm some kind of socialist, here's an archived article from Fortune Magazine written by Bill Gross, manager of PIMCO the largest bond fund in the world about the unregulated shadow derivatives market before the 2008 government bailout.. This is spot on. The major de-regulation push that was supposed to Unleash The Power Of The Free Market(TM) is what let financial institutions pick their own watchdogs (and compensate them) and it's what led to all the bullshit that finally imploded in 2008. It's not that I think the free market is the devil. I think it's like most anything else humans are involved in. Left to its own devices, it has tendencies towards short-sighted fuckery. Call it 'regulation' or 'societal responsibility' or just the good ol' fashioned Rule of Law, but some rules have to agreed upon and they have to be enforced. Without a central social compact between each other, everything from your conflict with your neighbor about his fence to a behemoth like AIG is doomed. De-regulation always sounds great until you wake up one day to find that The Hand Of The Market was a hustler and your pension and retirement have evaporated. Doesn't mean the government needs to be involved in every detail of your life but it does mean we need a functioning government.
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 14, 2017 13:48:51 GMT -6
Wasn't a problem from 1992 - 2015. Why would it be a problem now?
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 14, 2017 13:56:07 GMT -6
It's worth noting that very few of the NN advocates were vocal when the Daily Stormer couldn't find a DNS service.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 14, 2017 14:00:44 GMT -6
When the market didn't "self correct" after a monumental screwup? Ever heard of the Great Depression? The only reason this has not reoccured is government regulation. Where government "got it rtight"? How about all the time between Roosevelt and the rise of Reagan who systematically attacked all the checks and balances instituted by government in the wake ofg the of the Great Depression. There have been ZERO good results from Regan's policies, just as a slow doward spiral and and an increaing funning of wealth into the hands of the undeserving filthy rich. Our founding fathers believed in and attempted to set a system of checks and balances. Since then there has been a continupous onslaught by the rich to destory those checks and balances with the intent of feathering their own nests. Sadly the founding fathers were less than clairvoyant and had no way to foresee the the sustained assault on the system they constructed. I have little faith in the the "hive mind" of gullible humans in the fact of professional liars. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. The financial market didn't "self correct" in 2008. Not only did the US Government Treasury purchase troubled assets - mostly worthless bonds loaded with supbprime loans from Wall Street banks that that nobody in the free market would buy, but the US government also took over AIG to pay Wall Street banks what AIG owed them. AIG was bankrupt and couldn't pay Wall Street the Credit Default Swaps they owed them on (i.e insurance on bad bonds) which would have bankrupted the Wall Street banks. The free market didn't self correct, it failed in the financial industry in 2008 and the government bailed it out for the sake of the economy. This is indisputable, but people have the luxury to gloss this over-and attack government all the while- because government worked when it was most needed. Free market people hate government, until they need government to bail them out. Then, after the bailout occurs and government works to stabilize their assets and our entire economy, they go back bashing the government. The government had a gun held to its head unless it passed TARP. Secretary of Treasury and former Goldman Sachs head, Henry Paulson, initially went to congress asking for $750 billion and congress initially refused. Paulson then returned a second time and then congress capitulated after it was threatened that martial law would have to be introduced on the streets of America if TARP wasn't passed. (see the video below) 'Coincidently' Goldman Sachs received 100 cents on the dollar on its bad CDS's after AIG was bailed out by the taxpayer. Goldman Sachs was also betting its sales of CDO's to pension funds would tank (as they were selling them) which they did so Goldman made money on both sides of the deal. Goldman's CEO, Lloyd (blank check) Blankfein, even had the audacity to call this "Doing God's work". The result of the 2008 GFC was the greatest wealth transfer of all time from the taxpayer to the banksters and GFC 2.0 will be even worse.
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 14, 2017 14:03:20 GMT -6
One more thing. As I mentioned "Net Neutrality" is a misnomer. At best it needs to be heavily tweaked to actually represent what most people think it represents. You should go read the 400 page document that actually represented it. It lays the groundwork for items such as internet as a public utility and FCC filtering of content. More insidiously it frees large corporations like Google and most ISPs from burdensome regulations that smaller ISPs will have to adhere to or newcomers to the market would have to adhere to. Oops, you don't hear about that very much. It is categorically false to suggest that it is regulation that provides for a free and open internet.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 14, 2017 14:13:29 GMT -6
The idea that we have ever had a free market is Wall Street bullsh!t. What we have is a worldwide house of cards that may result in another world war if it fails. Self-correction in a real free market requires the combination of supply, demand and financial liability. The latter has been replaced by regulation. And that is exactly the scenario (market destabilisation) Wall Street profits from the most. If you look closely at the history of the CIA you will see it and Wall Street are joined at the hip. After the OSS morphed into the CIA it was essentially run by ex Wall Street heavyweights. Try to name one CIA operation that has not benefited Wall Street? The CIA's foreign excursions resulting in wars for profit, regime change, resource confisction, drug trafficking, unpayable loans (IMF, World Bank etc) and invariably post regime change the introduction of bankster cartel controlled Central Banks has been the CIA's MO since its inception. CIA = Wall Street's global attack dog
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 14, 2017 14:29:02 GMT -6
The idea that we have ever had a free market is Wall Street bullsh!t. What we have is a worldwide house of cards that may result in another world war if it fails. Self-correction in a real free market requires the combination of supply, demand and financial liability. The latter has been replaced by regulation. Just a nit Bob. Financial liability wasn't replaced by regulation in 2008. It was replaced by the US government taking on the liabilities of the banks and AIG and printing a lot of money to make the system more liquid. That was a bailout, not regulation. No, it wasn't. The bailout was done precisely because there was a very real risk of war if the entire world's pensions had been allowed to be destroyed by a tiny group of Wall Street banksters.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 14, 2017 14:32:09 GMT -6
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