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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 10, 2018 20:56:02 GMT -6
I do enjoy the UAD 88rs quite a bit.
They do all sound great. It was a little harder to hear the Flea 49 against the track instruments but near the end of the track I can hear it better. I think I like the RMS269 in this case.
Very nice though on all of them. I'd love to hear one of your more crooner type sounds or operatic on the Flea 49 for sure...
And thank you for the kind wishes.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 10, 2018 21:24:12 GMT -6
Hotel headphones.....Compared to the 87 amp, the 269 does a lot of what the TLM67 amp does, in terms of seeming more full range, with less upper mid focus and compression. The soloed 49 sample sounds the most colored, with the most SSS, but it's hard to tell with unleveled volume differences. As-is, it's past the 87 from the 269, least in common with the 269. I change the volume, it changes some too.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 10, 2018 21:38:35 GMT -6
They do all sound great. It was a little harder to hear the Flea 49 against the track instruments but near the end of the track I can hear it better. I think I like the RMS269 in this case. Whoops. I fixed that. Now the FleA 49 sample should be soloed. Sorry about that.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 10, 2018 21:59:44 GMT -6
Hotel headphones.....Compared to the 87 amp, the 269 does a lot of what the TLM67 amp does, in terms of seeming more full range, with less upper mid focus and compression. The soloed 49 sample sounds the most colored, with the most SSS, but it's hard to tell with unleveled volume differences. As-is, it's past the 87 from the 269, least in common with the 269. I change the volume, it changes some too. I'm actually enjoying the RMS269. It gets a little thick in the low mids which can be too much, but stylistically I kind of like that sound. The FleA has a lot of that. It doesn't have as focused a high end though. I also have to say the build quality is really nice. I need to get my wife down to try it and the TLM67, which has a darker top end. I can post some stuff with that later. I also want to hear my sister and brother on it. My sister is a Jazz singer and was using the CM49 last time she recorded and my brother is an R&B singer with a crazy high head voice. He's been my guinea pig alot with mics. I've recorded him through the U87ai, the CM67LE in bright mode, Slate VMS FG800M, and most recently with the BLUE Stage II with the B8 cap through my V78M. That was a nice sound. Curious what he sounds like through the 269, but I think it may be too thick on his voice for that style. If I had one complaint it would be with the Spider shock mount. It doesn't really stay where you want it to no matter how much you tighten it. Then again, my U87's doesn't work very well either. I have an after market one around I think will fit the RMS269 and I need to get it out and try it. drbill did you have this issue with yours?
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Post by EmRR on Jan 10, 2018 22:07:06 GMT -6
Yeah, the 269 seems very useful.
I'm much happier cutting lows in post than I am cutting highs. I always feel like I can hear cut highs, and it sounds different in an unnatural way, but boosted highs don't bother me so long as noise doesn't become objectionable. Lows, not so picky...and I'm a bassist! A good de-esser is hard to date, and keep dating, let alone marry.
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2018 22:19:43 GMT -6
Yeah, the 269 seems very useful. I'm much happier cutting lows in post than I am cutting highs. I always feel like I can hear cut highs, and it sounds different in an unnatural way, but boosted highs don't bother me so long as noise doesn't become objectionable. Lows, not so picky...and I'm a bassist! A good de-esser is hard to date, and keep dating, let alone marry. So many shades of grey in winter, so many shades of green in Scotland and Ireland in the summer..... Ha I'm a I hate to cut lows guy!
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Post by drbill on Jan 10, 2018 22:44:11 GMT -6
Hotel headphones.....Compared to the 87 amp, the 269 does a lot of what the TLM67 amp does, in terms of seeming more full range, with less upper mid focus and compression. The soloed 49 sample sounds the most colored, with the most SSS, but it's hard to tell with unleveled volume differences. As-is, it's past the 87 from the 269, least in common with the 269. I change the volume, it changes some too. I'm actually enjoying the RMS269. It gets a little thick in the low mids which can be too much, but stylistically I kind of like that sound. The FleA has a lot of that. It doesn't have as focused a high end though. I also have to say the build quality is really nice. I need to get my wife down to try it and the TLM67, which has a darker top end. I can post some stuff with that later. I also want to hear my sister and brother on it. My sister is a Jazz singer and was using the CM49 last time she recorded and my brother is an R&B singer with a crazy high head voice. He's been my guinea pig alot with mics. I've recorded him through the U87ai, the CM67LE in bright mode, Slate VMS FG800M, and most recently with the BLUE Stage II with the B8 cap through my V78M. That was a nice sound. Curious what he sounds like through the 269, but I think it may be too thick on his voice for that style. If I had one complaint it would be with the Spider shock mount. It doesn't really stay where you want it to no matter how much you tighten it. Then again, my U87's doesn't work very well either. I have an after market one around I think will fit the RMS269 and I need to get it out and try it. drbill did you have this issue with yours?To a degree. It's not horrible, but far from the best. I find the old Neumann shock mounts the best IMO. Crazy expensive though. Good to hear that you're enjoying the mic. How do you find it in comparison to the M269 you really loved?
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 11, 2018 0:09:51 GMT -6
To a degree. It's not horrible, but far from the best. I find the old Neumann shock mounts the best IMO. Crazy expensive though. Good to hear that you're enjoying the mic. How do you find it in comparison to the M269 you really loved? Mine just doesn’t want to stay. Careful use of the stand and it’s all good. There are definitely similarities to the M269C that I tried with jeremygillespie at The Barbershop Studios. My set up for some reason yields brighter results than Barbershop Studios. Could be lack of a console, could be my room, could be my Apollo’s conversion. Either way, my recordings here are a bit brighter. Listening to my CM49, which I used as my reference mic that day, I’d say it’s in the ball park. I’m pretty busy till the end of February with concerts and album prep. Maybe when things slow down I can connect with Jeremy again and bring th FleA 49 and RMS269 to hear them against their original counter parts. That is assuming he has the time. The studio out there is really nice. I wish it were closer.
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Post by ericn on Jan 11, 2018 7:13:53 GMT -6
To a degree. It's not horrible, but far from the best. I find the old Neumann shock mounts the best IMO. Crazy expensive though. Good to hear that you're enjoying the mic. How do you find it in comparison to the M269 you really loved? Mine just doesn’t want to stay. Careful use of the stand and it’s all good. There are definitely similarities to the M269C that I tried with jeremygillespie and The Barbershop Studios. My set up for some reason yields brighter results than Barbershop Studios. Could be lack of a console, could be my room, could be my Apollo’s conversion. Either way, my recordings here are a bit brighter. Listening to my CM49, which I used as my reference mic that day, I’d say it’s in the ball park. I’m pretty busy till the end of February with concerts and album prep. Maybe when things slow down I can connect with Jeremy again and bring th FleA 49 and RMS269 to hear them against their original counter parts. That is assuming he has the time. The studio out there is really nice. I wish it were closer. Vincent buy one of the Rycote mounts you won't be sorry!
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 11, 2018 8:25:40 GMT -6
A definite possibility if I decide I’m going to keep it around.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 13, 2018 9:35:39 GMT -6
In case you guys are interested I threw them into the context of a mix and added them to the folder. It's rough, but you can hear how each sounds. In the mix I really kind of like the RMS269. It seems to sit in between the U87ai and the FleA 49, which has a bit of a thick sound that may not work for this more "pop" style, especially once I get around to layering the background vocals. If I only had one mic to use for this track I'd use the U87ai, because the layered vocals may get a bit thick with the RMS269's low mid reach, but I'll experiment before I make the full video. www.dropbox.com/sh/2pwq05bezib6ou5/AAAHLmdWA2hjlc4I7uo0Uhz5a?dl=0Again the FleA 49 is a separate take done with the UAD88RS. the U87ai and RMS269 a single take with both through the UAD1073.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 13, 2018 21:33:08 GMT -6
RMS269 gets my vote here. Nothing wrong with that sound as it sits honestly. You could easily EQ that sound into something more modern if needed. But this is a nice sound.
The Flea is beautiful but just a bit thick for the style, as you say. I bet that mic kills on certain female singers and things like drums/piano. Might try for a Flea 49 next at some point, but I also have great faith in Larry's z mods, so perhaps a 49 is in order eventually.
That is, unless I let the codger in my mind who tells me to sell all my stuff and get a 'real job' win.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 14, 2018 8:48:05 GMT -6
On my voice, the FleA 49 is great for crooning and opera. Although in a more dense mix I find the RMS269 May work a bit better. I have a crossover piece I wrote years ago. It’s really a bit of a rock song, but sung by me it sounds like a cross over piece. I think I’m going to record that using the RMS269 for my video/video review. We’ll see if I have some time in the next two weeks to do that one.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 21, 2018 8:37:39 GMT -6
That moment you realize what Microphone one of your favorite artists uses. Richard Marx on a Neumann M269. He may be my favorite pop/rock vocalist. http://instagram.com/p/BeL1VbnhBuX
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 26, 2018 22:21:43 GMT -6
Got the dog and everything.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 26, 2018 19:18:17 GMT -6
I'm about 2/3rds of the way finished filming my overview of the RMS269. I've tried it on a few sources so far and have compared it to a few different microphones as well.
When comparing it to the U87ai the RMS269 has less of a low end reach, but has more beefy low mids. It is also more open on the top end. This is a microphone great for cutting through a big mix while keeping the vocals sounding full. It doesn't thin the vocal out like some other mics like this do. The vocals still feel full. There is a sweet quality to the sound that I enjoy. The U87ai can fulfill the same roll with some help from EQ.
The beefy mids are similar to those in my FleA 49, but it's a fairly open microphone without the heavy beef of the FleA 49. Of all of my microphones it sounds the most like my BLUE Bottle Rocket with the B6 Cap. The RMS269 isn't quite as open and has more beef in the mids and low end, but after putting them side by side I felt I could most likely use both mics on the same sources and get equally good results. The BLUE felt more hifi and the RMS269 more even. Of course BLUE's B6 is supposed to evoke the C12, not the M269.
It works on acoustic guitar if you need the guitar to really cut and have a little weight. So if you want to feature the guitar in a busy mix, this would work nicely. For something more subdued, but solidly in the track the U87ai is wonderful. If your looking for guitars for a beefy rhythm track I'd reach for my FleA 49.
I'll have acoustic guitar, Male crooning vocals, Male Crossover Classical/Rock vocals, and some female soprano vocals in my video. I should finish filming everything this week and go into post production for the video next week. Of course, I have a client waiting on a mix/video and another video that's almost done to complete first, but such is life. I'll post the video when it is ready.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 29, 2018 6:08:50 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on May 10, 2018 9:51:47 GMT -6
Hey Everyone,
Here is my overview for the RMS Audioworks RMS269. Hope you enjoy!
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 25, 2019 18:42:23 GMT -6
Anyone ever compare the RMS269 with the Mojave MA300? They look seem they could have a similar vibe.
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Post by drbill on Oct 25, 2019 18:48:52 GMT -6
Missing your RMS Vincent??
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 26, 2019 6:28:40 GMT -6
He he. I never really wanted to sell it. It became a casualty of a new computer purchase. No computer, no recording.... so I let it go. I keep seeing the Mojave come up at decent prices. It often gets compared to a U67, but from clips and graphs and just it’s components it made me think it may be more like an M269. So I was curious if anyone had tried both of these.
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Post by notneeson on Oct 26, 2019 9:59:37 GMT -6
He he. I never really wanted to sell it. It became a casualty of a new computer purchase. No computer, no recording.... so I let it go. I keep seeing the Mojave come up at decent prices. It often gets compared to a U67, but from clips and graphs and just it’s components it made me think it may be more like an M269. So I was curious if anyone had tried both of these. I like the Mojave, FWIW. Can’t compare to the other, haven’t had the pleasure. The 300 is smooth and not especially characterful. Works on a lot of voices. I’ve definitely found myself driving our Phoenix DRS2 harder to get more character out of the chain. But that can be tricky.
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Post by drbill on Oct 26, 2019 10:13:00 GMT -6
He he. I never really wanted to sell it. It became a casualty of a new computer purchase. No computer, no recording.... so I let it go. I keep seeing the Mojave come up at decent prices. It often gets compared to a U67, but from clips and graphs and just it’s components it made me think it may be more like an M269. So I was curious if anyone had tried both of these. I hear ya. I'm in the process of upgrading my main and spare computers, OS's and PT. It's costing as much as an Upton 251. LOL But it needs to be done. Had one go down after a close lightning strike, and saw the writing on the wall. As you said, no computer, no recording.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 26, 2019 12:24:07 GMT -6
He he. I never really wanted to sell it. It became a casualty of a new computer purchase. No computer, no recording.... so I let it go. I keep seeing the Mojave come up at decent prices. It often gets compared to a U67, but from clips and graphs and just it’s components it made me think it may be more like an M269. So I was curious if anyone had tried both of these. I hear ya. I'm in the process of upgrading my main and spare computers, OS's and PT. It's costing as much as an Upton 251. LOL But it needs to be done. Had one go down after a close lightning strike, and saw the writing on the wall. As you said, no computer, no recording. I hear you. I just finished syncing a second computer with my master computer to offload some virtual instruments and processing.
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Post by Ward on Oct 26, 2019 12:45:11 GMT -6
I hear ya. I'm in the process of upgrading my main and spare computers, OS's and PT. It's costing as much as an Upton 251. LOL But it needs to be done. Had one go down after a close lightning strike, and saw the writing on the wall. As you said, no computer, no recording. I hear you. I just finished syncing a second computer with my master computer to offload some virtual instruments and processing. You mean running both in sync at the same time and spreading the system across two workstations, right?
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